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Protests over BART shooting turn violent

dirtpoorchris

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Po Po shoot handcuffed, grounded man in the back.

LiveLeak.com - Reply to Beck64's video of BART Shooting...much clearer video
LiveLeak.com - BART OFFICIALS RESPONCE TO OFFICER SHOOTING

cbs5.com - Home Video Surfaces Of Oakland BART Shooting


And this is why we need to make it so that if a cop tries to take a camera they get fired and put on a sex offender list.
 
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This was an interesting issue and a worthy topic to discuss in someplace like the Breaking News forum, but that wasn't a very productive OP.
 
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Man's Fatal Shooting by San Francisco Subway Police Prompts Probe, Plans for Lawsuit

FOXNews.com - Man's Fatal Shooting by San Francisco Subway Police Prompts Probe, Plans for $25M Lawsuit - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News


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YouTube - Reactions From BART Officials Over New Video Of Fatal Shooting

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YouTube - Oakland Shooting: Oscar Grant killed by BART Police Officer (name released!)

As best I can see, the only possible explanation is that he thought he was pulling his tazer and then accidentally fired. The guy does seem distressed and surprised after he fires.
 
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RightinNYC said:
This was an interesting issue and a worthy topic to discuss in someplace like the Breaking News forum, but that wasn't a very productive OP.
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I wanted to put it in breaking news but only had videos at first. I found news clippings later and forgot that I could then put it into breaking. Doh.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
I wanted to put it in breaking news but only had videos at first. I found news clippings later and forgot that I could then put it into breaking. Doh.
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No worries, it's been moved. :2wave:
 
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RightinNYC said:
As best I can see, the only possible explanation is that he thought he was pulling his tazer and then accidentally fired. The guy does seem distressed and surprised after he fires.
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I thought the same thing. His body lang. makes it seem like an accident. Then again maybe he did it out of spite and then regained his coolness.
Sometimes when I get mad at my brothers I regret it RIGHT afterwards and regain my cool.
 
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Bad training. The cop obviously screwed up.

Reach back under stress for handcuffs and instead pull the service weapon and without thinking when you pull the weapon you also pull the trigger. Muscle memory and associative conditioning MAY have been at fault here.

Terrible.
 
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I have had moderate training with sightless handcuffing and no matter what, I believe it's impossible to confuse a pistol with handcuffs. Now if the pistol was confused with a taser then I could see it being an idiotic mistake. But handcuffs in no way feel like a gun, especially to someone who handles the two regularly.
 
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At best, the way things look is that you can say it's accidental. That's, IMO, absolute best case scenario. If it was accidental, the officer needs to be brought up on manslaughter charges and never again allowed to work in the field of law enforcement. Worst case is that it's purposeful, though I can't imagine how an officer would purposefully execute a restrained suspect. I'm more inclined to believe it was accidental. Though if purposeful, the officer needs to be brought up on murder charges. I think that the chance that it was justifiable is almost zero.
 
Source [SF Gate | Protests over BART shooting turn violent]


There are a few more personal accounts inside. A lot of it has the ring of random violence and destruction that can only be described as a riot
 
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That is straight up murder.

Anyone find it a bit odd that the family's lawyer is wearing a hoodie when being filmed by the news?
 
RightOfCenter said:
That is straight up murder.

Anyone find it a bit odd that the family's lawyer is wearing a hoodie when being filmed by the news?
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I can't imagine what the police officer can use as a reason for this. It makes no sense.

I'm not sure if it's entirely clear that this man is a lawyer. They say he represents the family, but they didn't say he was a lawyer. If he is a lawyer, I agree--why the heck would he wear a hoodie?
 
This is exactly what pisses me off about Oakland. Yes, the shooting of the unarmed man was completely unjustified and the man responsible should face justice. However, how the hell does starting a riot help anything? The system hasn't even had time to work. Using a real cause to justify senseless violence is unacceptable.
 

I wonder how fast the system would work if Oscar Grant had killed a cop and how much time some people here would give the system to work.
 
RightOfCenter said:
That is straight up murder.

Anyone find it a bit odd that the family's lawyer is wearing a hoodie when being filmed by the news?
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I know a hoodie is the sweat shirt but that's not something worn around here. Does it symbolize something?
 
Hatuey said:
I wonder how fast the system would work if Oscar Grant had killed a cop and how much time some people here would give the system to work.
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They say the wheels of justice turn slowly. It seems they can be made to turn faster at times, but when they have to turn in the opposite direction they just seem to creep along.

No one doubts that the cop as well as BART will pay BIG TIME for this error in judgment and training.

And, fwiw, I doubt anyone can say he shot Grant intentionally.

It was obviously a situation where he knew he wouldn't escape scrutiny in commission of the act. It was obviously a situation where pulling the weapon was unnecessary.

I suspect the officer went into a "cruise control" mindset where he stopped actually thinking and just responded automatically.

Stressful situation. Reaching for handcuffs. And then muscle memory kicked in. Cops spend hours and hours thinking about and preparing for the day when they may have to draw and discharge their weapon. And simply having his cuffs on the gunbelt on the opposite side as his holster might have prevented this.

Of course I don't know any of the details beyond what I see on the video, but I can imagine it being just a horrible, horrible accident for which the victim, his loved ones, the cop and his loved ones and his department will pay for the rest of their lives.
 
Hatuey said:
I wonder how fast the system would work if Oscar Grant had killed a cop and how much time some people here would give the system to work.
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I can pretty much guarantee you that the cops wouldn't be rioting through their neighborhoods, burning their own stores.
 
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