Progressives eagerly await their chance to harass McCarthy

[Chomsky]

While Democratic leaders seem content to let Speaker Kevin McCarthy stew in his party's disarray, liberals are excited to launch a new headache-causing House tool.

Kevin McCarthy’s concessions to conservatives did more than win him the speaker’s gavel — they empowered House progressives to wreak havoc. And they’re eager to mess with him.

Republicans’ new rules allow just one member, regardless of party, to force a floor vote on deposing the speaker. And liberal Democrats, some of whom are part of the progressive “Squad,” are warning they have no problem with using the move against McCarthy, even if they don’t expect it to succeed.

“Why not? You know, that sounds like a good idea. I mean, you’re still going to need what, 218 for passage, right? But listen, man, he has a very slim majority,” mused Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.). “Whenever we want to cause complete chaos, we’ll do that.”

Politico: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/...me-out-future-votes-to-boot-mccarthy-00077525
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Hate to say it, but I predicted this would occur.

I'm torn on it, though. As much as I believe we need to stop MAGA & the Republicans, this Rep almost sounds giddy in having the opportunity - as he says - "to cause chaos".

I'm very much saddened by the current state of American politics & governance.

 

[tres borrachos]

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Hate to say it, but I predicted this would occur.

I'm torn on it, though. As much as I believe we need to stop MAGA & the Republicans, this Rep almost sounds giddy in having the opportunity - as he says - "to cause chaos".

I'm very much saddened by the current state of American politics & governance.

I am too. Just because Trump acted like a buffoon and some morons elected people like Taylor-Gazpacho to Congress doesn't mean it should be a free for all for everyone to act like asses.

Our Founders are rolling in their graves. As they should be.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Its a bad idea to engage in this level of pettiness.

 

[Fishking]

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Hate to say it, but I predicted this would occur.

I'm torn on it, though. As much as I believe we need to stop MAGA & the Republicans, this Rep almost sounds giddy in having the opportunity - as he says - "to cause chaos".

I'm very much saddened by the current state of American politics & governance.

They should've had the rule limit it to party affiliation.

What I find interesting is that so many on the left objecting to the concessions that were made when many of them should've been pretty standard and supported by either side. Like...what kind of dirtbag person would object to requiring 72 hrs to pass between the publishing of a law and passing it? Who would object to enacting measures that helps ensure single issue laws, instead of laws being packed with a bunch of pork to bribe votes out of people?

 

[Fishking]

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Hate to say it, but I predicted this would occur.

I'm torn on it, though. As much as I believe we need to stop MAGA & the Republicans, this Rep almost sounds giddy in having the opportunity - as he says - "to cause chaos".

I'm very much saddened by the current state of American politics & governance.

Also keep in mind that progressives/leftists actively supported/voted for/funded the more radical members of the GOP candidates in the primaries to gain advantage in the general, so it's not like this type of underhanded bullshit is outside of their normal tactics.

 

[Chomsky]

I am too. Just because Trump acted like a buffoon and some morons elected people like Taylor-Gazpacho to Congress doesn't mean it should be a free for all for everyone to act like asses.

Our Founders are rolling in their graves. As they should be.

It's disgusting, but what do we do?

Many of us believe MAGA must be stopped. So, there seems no choice but to attack it. But I swear, it kills me to have to go up against my fellow Americans. That was always a sacrosanct line for me, accepting that we are all Americans firstly.

But what the hell do we do when some of our fellow citizens are attempting to usurp our elections and rule of law and the institutions behind our elections & rule of law?

MAGA's really put us in a very shitty position here . . .

 

[Michael Cole]

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Hate to say it, but I predicted this would occur.

I'm torn on it, though. As much as I believe we need to stop MAGA & the Republicans, this Rep almost sounds giddy in having the opportunity - as he says - "to cause chaos".

I'm very much saddened by the current state of American politics & governance.

I'm not torn on it at all. They're the ones calling for chaos. If the Democrats don't oblige them, 1) they won't stop 2) people will think it's normal; Republican voters will not recognize chaos unless it's thrown in their faces.

I wouldn't say fight fire with fire, though it is applicable; I'd say expose them for who they are and expose what they're doing.

 

[Michael Cole]

Also keep in mind that progressives/leftists actively supported/voted for/funded the more radical members of the GOP candidates in the primaries to gain advantage in the general, so it's not like this type of underhanded bullshit is outside of their normal tactics.

How is following House rules underhanded?

 

[Chomsky]

They should've had the rule limit it to party affiliation.

The can't. Speaker of the House is not a party position.

What I find interesting is that so many on the left objecting to the concessions that were made when many of them should've been pretty standard and supported by either side. Like...what kind of dirtbag person would object to requiring 72 hrs to pass between the publishing of a law and passing it? Who would object to enacting measures that helps ensure single issue laws, instead of laws being packed with a bunch of pork to bribe votes out of people?

Then why did the GOP disregard their new 72 hr edict with their very first bill?

 

[Razoo]

WE more moderate than the fake GOP must stand our ground ..... no matter how we do it legitimately.

 

[Linc]

I am too. Just because Trump acted like a buffoon and some morons elected people like Taylor-Gazpacho to Congress doesn't mean it should be a free for all for everyone to act like asses.

Our Founders are rolling in their graves. As they should be.

Politico had this yesterday, and yes D’s are biding their time.
We always know what R’s would do if roles were reversed.
Both-siders expect D’s to not return rhetorical fire.

Infinitely more important are the ‘discharge petitions’ we’ll need to extend the debt limit and prevent government shutdowns between moderate R’s and all the D’s.

 

[Chomsky]

I'm not torn on it at all. They're the ones calling for chaos. If the Democrats don't oblige them, 1) they won't stop 2) people will think it's normal; Republican voters will not recognize chaos unless it's thrown in their faces.

I wouldn't say fight fire with fire, though it is applicable; I'd say expose them for who they are and expose what they're doing.

Yeah. You might right. Maybe.

But it makes me unbelievably uncomfortable. I detest the idea of going-up against my fellow Americans. It goes against everything I stand for, everything my family came to this country for.

What gives me hope though, was the midterms partial-rejection of MAGA. And that's what makes me think the high-road may still be a viable solution. That's why I'm torn on how to deal with this.

 

[Chomsky]

Its a bad idea to engage in this level of pettiness.

I'm trying to stay with you here, my friend. I surely wasn't comfortable with the Representatives choice of words (opportunity to cause chaos).

Quite honestly, it sounds Trumpist & MAGA, and it's exactly what I can't stand.

 

[Cardinal]

They should've had the rule limit it to party affiliation.

What I find interesting is that so many on the left objecting to the concessions that were made when many of them should've been pretty standard and supported by either side. Like...what kind of dirtbag person would object to requiring 72 hrs to pass between the publishing of a law and passing it? Who would object to enacting measures that helps ensure single issue laws, instead of laws being packed with a bunch of pork to bribe votes out of people?

If you believe it should be limited to party affiliation then you'll be thrilled to learn that the 72 hour rule does, in fact, apply to party affiliation.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Also keep in mind that progressives/leftists actively supported/voted for/funded the more radical members of the GOP candidates in the primaries to gain advantage in the general, so it's not like this type of underhanded bullshit is outside of their normal tactics.

Comical. While I agree with others on the sad state of our legislative process the "underhanded bullshit" you are complaining about are your party's rules.

But good news for you, the vast majority of democrats in the house are above pursuit of the childish antics that is essentially the core agenda of the republican leadership.

 

[Michael Cole]

Yeah. You might right. Maybe.

But it makes me unbelievably uncomfortable. I detest the idea of going-up against my fellow Americans. It goes against everything I stand for. everything my family came to this country for.

What gives me hope though, was the midterms partial-rejection of MAGA. And that's what makes me think the high-road may still be a viable solution. That's why I'm torn on how to deal with this.

I stopped feeling uncomfortable a long time ago, but I do get it.

I see it as defending ourselves from fellow Americans.

I'm sure many of us can remember a time when a boss changed rules, operations and such, and after we argue against it, say, "Okay, that's how you want it? You got it." Then, after showing the boss how stupid his idea is, he finally capitulates.

I'm looking at it like that. Vote to remove him, and maybe they'll wake up and realize they've made a mistake.

 

[Cardinal]

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Hate to say it, but I predicted this would occur.

I'm torn on it, though. As much as I believe we need to stop MAGA & the Republicans, this Rep almost sounds giddy in having the opportunity - as he says - "to cause chaos".

I'm very much saddened by the current state of American politics & governance.

If, as people closer to my side of the political aisle say, it's true that politics is dominant over truth, then **** it: let's set this bitch on fire.

 

[Liberal7360]

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Hate to say it, but I predicted this would occur.

I'm torn on it, though. As much as I believe we need to stop MAGA & the Republicans, this Rep almost sounds giddy in having the opportunity - as he says - "to cause chaos".

I'm very much saddened by the current state of American politics & governance.

This is bad.

Where are the adults?

They are there to work for the people. Not cause chaos.

 

[Jacksprat]

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Hate to say it, but I predicted this would occur.

I'm torn on it, though. As much as I believe we need to stop MAGA & the Republicans, this Rep almost sounds giddy in having the opportunity - as he says - "to cause chaos".

I'm very much saddened by the current state of American politics & governance.

If those are quotes, please give citation.

 

[Showtime586]

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Hate to say it, but I predicted this would occur.

I'm torn on it, though. As much as I believe we need to stop MAGA & the Republicans, this Rep almost sounds giddy in having the opportunity - as he says - "to cause chaos".

I'm very much saddened by the current state of American politics & governance.

The Dems need to avoid this behavior at all costs. Focus on serious issues and then simply point out the abhorrent behavior of the Republicans.

 

[Blue Dog]

Not for anything, but why didn’t the GOP pass a rule that only allows that one vote to come out of their own party?

 

[Chomsky]

Politico had this yesterday, and yes D’s are biding their time.
We always know what R’s would do if roles were reversed.
Both-siders expect D’s to not return rhetorical fire.

Infinitely more important are the ‘discharge petitions’ we’ll need to extend the debt limit and prevent government shutdowns between moderate R’s and all the D’s.

Matt Gaetz is currently filling-in as guest-host on Steve Bannon's "War Room" podcast, while Bannon addresses his criminal legal issues. Gaetz spent his time "interviewing" George Santos!

Given this above as an example, along with the recent occurrences on the House Floor, do you really think moderate thought & actions will prevail?

 

[Michael Cole]

Not for anything, but why didn’t the GOP pass a rule that only allows that one vote to come out of their own party?

No, not for anything. McCarthy will give Democrats plenty of opportunity for "legitimate" removal.

 

[Cardinal]

The Dems need to avoid this behavior at all costs. Focus on serious issues and then simply point out the abhorrent behavior of the Republicans.

Except that a motion for a new Speaker election every day has a practical utility: It's specifically this process McCarthy agreed to that allows the most radical conservatives to own the House agenda and have McCarthy's nuts in a vice. Now, I don't *think* Republicans could change the procedure to only accommodate one party (and if I'm wrong then I guess we'll find out soon enough), so Democrat abuse of a system that is ridiculous to exist in the first place would have a positive outcome.

 

[Chomsky]

If you believe it should be limited to party affiliation then you'll be thrilled to learn that the 72 hour rule does, in fact, apply to party affiliation.

But, they didn't follow it with their very first bill!