"Pro-Life" - What would you do for this child????[W:350]

sangha · Dec 19, 2013

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Removable Mind said:
Sangha...no matter how many times you say the above...it falls on deaf pro-life ears.

It's amazing that Pro-life don't get the comparison between a brain dead child on life support (used to at last keep its body alive) and a 12 week old fetus, which 85% are aborted, also has no significant brain function and it's life support system is a uterus...without it....it can't survive.

I don't believe for a second that the abortion banners don't get the comparison. They get it alright but they're just too dishonest to acknowledge it.

As I asked in an earlier post, how many times have we heard "It's human, it's alive, it has unique DNA.....it's a person!!"? Now, all of a sudden, the abortion banners are pretending like their argument came from aliens that they've never encountered.

year2late · Dec 19, 2013

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joko104 said:
I definitely think they sometimes artificially keep people alive too long - particularly when insurance is picking up the tab so doing so is profitable. There are many times where we treat the old and dying worse that we'd treat a sick old dog.

I wholeheartedly agree.

sangha · Dec 19, 2013

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nota bene said:
Also amazing is your not understanding the difference between a beginning and growing life and the end of life. Just amazing.

And now the slogan goes from "All life is sacred" to "All beginning life is sacred" which confirms our suspicions that, once born, the interest of the abortion banners wanes.

sangha · Dec 19, 2013

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Dr. Chuckles said:
Why would I need to account for another person's argument when it has nothing to do with my own?

You don't but I don't have to limit my posts to discussing your arguments

Dr. Chuckles · Dec 19, 2013

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sangha said:
You don't but I don't have to limit my posts to discussing your arguments

you replied to my post with the remark as if it had some bearing on it. Again, stop wasting peoples time panhandling for attention

sangha · Dec 19, 2013

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Dr. Chuckles said:
you're ignoring a developing fetus is just that, developing. A person with significant brain damage, that is at the point of being "brain-dead" is not. Their state isn't part of normal development towards a healthy state.

It's a pretty simple distinction you will likely continue to ignore as you make your moronic-ass arguments and try to fill your day with meaning

No, you're ignoring that (a) your claims about potential are not necessarily true and (b) potential doesn't matter as far as the law goes, and most importantly (c) the abortion banners have never considered brain activity to be a factor in determining the morality or legality of abortion

year2late · Dec 19, 2013

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OscarB63 said:
the problem with your comment is that even the most rabid anti-abortionists agree that abortion is OK in the event the fetus is anencephalic.

year2late said:
Can you define "all the pro-choicers"?

year2late said:
I do not think this is accurate. Can you point to me where you got this information?

OscarB63 said:
do you even know what anencephaly is?

year2late said:
When I google searched "Catholic Church and anencephaly" this is what came up.

From the US Conference of Catholic Bishops -Committee of Doctrine

(I think we can agree that they would qualify as "rabid-antiabortionists")

Anencephaly

So back up YOUR statement.

Are you just about demeaning me - as if I do not know what anencephaly is - or do you want to back up your remarks?

sangha · Dec 19, 2013

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Dr. Chuckles said:
you replied to my post with the remark as if it had some bearing on it. Again, stop wasting peoples time panhandling for attention

Yes, and I will continue to respond to any post I desire responding to, in order to make any point I want to make

Henrin · Dec 19, 2013

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Removable Mind said:
Sangha...no matter how many times you say the above...it falls on deaf pro-life ears.

It's amazing that Pro-life don't get the comparison between a brain dead child on life support (used to at last keep its body alive) and a 12 week old fetus, which 85% are aborted, also has no significant brain function and it's life support system is a uterus...without it....it can't survive.

I already explained it. The fetus and the born person are in different stages of life that needs different things to stay alive. The fetuses connection with it's mother is a natural part of a human beings life cycle and is necessary for the fetus to stay alive and continue growing and developing. When a born person brain stops functioning the born person will die and there body will not longer function. If you maintain function with a machine there is nothing natural about it and the person is still very much dead.

Btw, 100% of born people die, so I guess if it's fine to abort a fetus because it might die anyway, it is perfectly fine to kill born people since they will all die anyway.

OscarB63 · Dec 19, 2013

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year2late said:
Are you just about demeaning me - as if I do not know what anencephaly is - or do you want to back up your remarks?

you are demeaning yourself. you don't need any help from me.....

Henrin · Dec 19, 2013

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sangha said:
I don't believe for a second that the abortion banners don't get the comparison. They get it alright but they're just too dishonest to acknowledge it.

As I asked in an earlier post, how many times have we heard "It's human, it's alive, it has unique DNA.....it's a person!!"? Now, all of a sudden, the abortion banners are pretending like their argument came from aliens that they've never encountered.

That argument has no reason to be made since the individual in question is dead.

OscarB63 · Dec 19, 2013

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joko104 said:
I think you did. State from the OP - or anything - what tests they have done and who did those.

there was your first mistake.

year2late · Dec 19, 2013

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OscarB63 said:
you are demeaning yourself. you don't need any help from me.....

So, that is how you act when I show you proof that you are wrong.

Nice.

I wish I could say I expected more.

OscarB63 · Dec 19, 2013

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year2late said:
So, that is how you act when I show you proof that you are wrong.

Nice.

I wish I could say I expected more.

proof? what proof?

Removable Mind · Dec 19, 2013

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Henrin said:
I already explained it. The fetus and the born person are in different stages of life that needs different things to stay alive. The fetuses connection with it's mother is a natural part of a human beings life cycle and is necessary for the fetus to stay alive and continue growing and developing. When a born person brain stops functioning the born person will die and there body will not longer function. If you maintain function with a machine there is nothing natural about it and the person is still very much dead.

Btw, 100% of born people die, so I guess if it's fine to abort a fetus because it might die anyway, it is perfectly fine to kill born people since they will all die anyway.

Thanks, Henrin. I've put this post in my "Favorites" folder...

JayDubya · Dec 19, 2013

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sangha said:
I don't believe for a second that the abortion banners don't get the comparison. They get it alright but they're just too dishonest to acknowledge it.

As I asked in an earlier post, how many times have we heard "It's human, it's alive, it has unique DNA.....it's a person!!"? Now, all of a sudden, the abortion banners are pretending like their argument came from aliens that they've never encountered.

With every post you prove your signature correct.

We have taken your "comparison" head on.

We understand it.

It has been found wanting.

Jahi is dead. Jahi's body is not a living organism. A corpse that used to be a human being is not a human being.

joko104 · Dec 19, 2013

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Henrin said:
I already explained it. The fetus and the born person are in different stages of life that needs different things to stay alive. The fetuses connection with it's mother is a natural part of a human beings life cycle and is necessary for the fetus to stay alive and continue growing and developing. When a born person brain stops functioning the born person will die and there body will not longer function. If you maintain function with a machine there is nothing natural about it and the person is still very much dead.

Btw, 100% of born people die, so I guess if it's fine to abort a fetus because it might die anyway, it is perfectly fine to kill born people since they will all die anyway.

What a great political slogan. If it takes a machine to maintain function ... the person is still very much dead. I'm sure that'd win elections: "All those old people on oxygen are very much dead. I vow we will stop sending social security payments to those dead old people."

Great criminal defense too. "My client could not have possibly murdered that 78 year old. His life was dependent upon an oxygen generator he was already dead - and you can't murder a dead person."

You're really on population control, aren't you? In a week you'd kill off millions Americans - because they are already "very much dead." And save billions on surgeries as most require those put a person dependent upon a machine during surgery - and it certainly then would make no sense to continue to do the surgery on a dead person.

joko104 · Dec 19, 2013

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JayDubya said:
It has been found wanting.

Jahi's body is not a living organism. A corpse that used to be a human being is not a human being.

So what you are saying it that in your opinion it would be fine is someone, anyone really, went in the room and chopped her up with an ax - for there would be no criminal charge?

year2late · Dec 19, 2013

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OscarB63 said:
proof? what proof?

It was already linked.

I showed you a paper from the US Catholic Bishops (Should qualify a rabid anti-abortion by both of us) on their opinion on anencephaly as it relates to abortion.

If you have a better source, let me know.

OscarB63 · Dec 19, 2013

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joko104 said:
So what you are saying it that in your opinion it would be fine is someone, anyone really, went in the room and chopped her up with an ax - for there would be no criminal charge?

there would be criminal charges...just not for murder, since she is already legally dead.

JayDubya · Dec 19, 2013

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joko104 said:
So what you are saying it that in your opinion it would be fine is someone, anyone really, went in the room and chopped her up with an ax - for there would be no criminal charge?

Suuuuuuuuuure that's what I was saying.

Take the pants off your head.

OscarB63 · Dec 19, 2013

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joko104 said:
I think you did. State from the OP - or anything - what tests they have done and who did those.

Under California law, declaring a patient brain dead requires two separate sets of tests by two different doctors, carried out at least 3 hours apart.

California hospital says it will keep teen declared brain dead on life support | Fox News

since the hospital has declared her legally dead, under CA law there had to have been 2 separate sets of tests conducted by 2 different doctors.

Henrin · Dec 19, 2013

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Removable Mind said:
Thanks, Henrin. I've put this post in my "Favorites" folder...

joko104 said:
What a great political slogan. If it takes a machine to maintain function ... the person is still very much dead. I'm sure that'd win elections: "All those old people on oxygen are very much dead. I vow we will stop sending social security payments to those dead old people."

Great criminal defense too. "My client could not have possibly murdered that 78 year old. His life was dependent upon an oxygen generator he was already dead - and you can't murder a dead person."

You're really on population control, aren't you? In a week you'd kill off millions Americans - because they are already "very much dead." And save billions on surgeries as most require those put a person dependent upon a machine during surgery - and it certainly then would make no sense to continue to do the surgery on a dead person.

So I'm guessing that neither of you have a counter argument. Good to know.

joko104 · Dec 19, 2013

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year2late said:
I do not want to split hairs, but just so people are aware...many folks in ventilators have the ability to breath. It is a quantity and quality issue. A properly administered test for brain death under appropriate circumstances would be required to decide brain death. The apnea test is towards the end of the process of making that decision, not at the beginning.

If my child were brain dead, I would have no issue with the plug being pulled.

I probably could eventually reach that point. I doubt my wife ever would. It would be like if your arm was permanently paralyzed then you'd want it chopped off because it is "dead," rather than hoping some day it could be revived and, even if not, you still want your arm anyway.

Can you love your child if it's brain isn't functioning but the body still alive? The answer may be whether a parent still loves their child when their child is asleep.

If your arm no longer functions, why chop it off? If your child's brain isn't working, why destroy it's body too?

It also may be whether you actually like caring for, feeding, dressing your children - or is it just a chore to you that you have to do but really don't want to? Why destroy what remains of her child she sees as so beautiful, loves and likes so much to care for?

She is like the Pied Piper to little children. They flock to her. Maybe they can tell that about her more than how other adults are in how they feel about children.

joko104 · Dec 19, 2013

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OscarB63 said:
there was your first mistake.

So I lost you on the word "think," huh? :lol:

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