:rofl :rofl :roflThere also were some heated moments at the pro-Bush rally when Bush supporters mistakenly identified two people as war protesters. The two walked in with a sign that read "Say No to War — Unless a Democrat is President."
Many Bush supporters only saw the top of the sign and believed the men were war protesters, so they began shouting and chasing the pair out. One man tore up their signs.
When Will Marean of Minneapolis kept repeating that he was on the Bush side, one Bush supporter shook his hand and apologized.
SouthernDemocrat said:There are very few actual Pro-Bush demonstrators. Most of the groups you hear of were actually hired by Right Wing P.R. firms.
SouthernDemocrat said:There are very few actual Pro-Bush demonstrators. Most of the groups you hear of were actually hired by Right Wing P.R. firms.
SouthernDemocrat said:There are very few actual Pro-Bush demonstrators. Most of the groups you hear of were actually hired by Right Wing P.R. firms.
danarhea said:Actually, there is a considerable Conservative backlash against the Iraq war that is now picking up steam. Not all Conservatives are Neocons, and some of us are quite angry these days with the way Bush has managed both foreign and domestic policy. Click this link and you will see what I mean.
Pacridge said:Welcome to Debate Politics!
danarhea said:If you dont mind my saying so, the term "right wing" is bandied about in a derogatory way as much as the term "liberal" is. I would like to make a correction:
Bush and his bunch are not really right wing, nor are they the Conservatives they claim to be. They are Neoconservatives, whose mentor was Irving Kristol. Kristol was a card carrying member of the Communist Party, and his son, William, has stated on numerous occasions that he would be willing to fight against Conservatives and would support pro-war Liberals (there are a few of those). Although Irving Kristol reputed much of Communist ideology, he still kept strategic elements of it. This is the ideology that the Neocon movement sprang from.
The whole concept of left versus right as a basis of political discussion is a faulty one in today's climate, because these words have been used to divide the American people by both the Democrats and Republicans.
There is also a element of religious fanaticism in this admin. and its base.ShamMol said:that we have seen more elements come into this white house that have been both conservative (yes), neoconservative, and hawkish-because there is no real other way to describe that attitude.
Sadly the Neo-cons have more or less hi-jacked the Repubican party. I'll most likely never be voting for a Republican again if it stays this way.danarhea said:Actually, there is a considerable Conservative backlash against the Iraq war that is now picking up steam. Not all Conservatives are Neocons
I consider that part of the the neoconservative movement....they tend to walk hand in hand these days...most people just don't make these distinctions anymore but I do believe it is important.scottyz said:There is also a element of religious fanaticism in this admin. and its base.
Sadly the Neo-cons have more or less hi-jacked the Repubican party. I'll most likely never be voting for a Republican again if it stays this way.
Because they have gone from representing true conservative values (something which I as a liberal can actually respect) to representing neoconservative values. He said that they have in a sense hijacked his party and changed it from what it was...a stalwart defender of old, to the neoconservative bastard child of Reagan....SKILMATIC said:So you will never vote for a republican again becasue why? Please enlighten me some.
Even though a huge majority are? No. I laugh at you. Honestly I do. All the politicians in the Democratic party who have remained liberal have had to bury it deep down inside and the only true liberals that remain have either been run out of office or are out there. There are about 5 in the Senate and 20 in the house at best who are true libs.SKILMATIC said:Ok...??? So what exactly doesnt he agree with then? I want to know what principles the conservatives changed? Specifics? And conservatives are poilitcal standpoints not a political party. So if he is going to perpetuate that conservatism is the same as republicans then thats a mistake. Its like me saying all liberals are democrat(even though a huge majority are) and vice versa.
ShamMol said:Even though a huge majority are? No. I laugh at you. Honestly I do. All the politicians in the Democratic party who have remained liberal have had to bury it deep down inside and the only true liberals that remain have either been run out of office or are out there. There are about 5 in the Senate and 20 in the house at best who are true libs.
People think people like Kerry are liberals and I laugh at them. Conservatives think Clinton was a lib and I laugh at them. It is hilarious.
I can't speak for him.
No. I do not. He was a centrist moderate who fell to his knees for corporations and only showed liberal trends in his last two years. Hillary is more liberal, but she has the same corporation problem.Pacridge said:I think it's best not to speak for other people.
You don't think Clinton is/was a liberal?
It's already been explained. The party has been hi-jacked by a bunch of lunatics who are only conservative in the fundamentalist Christian sense. The vast majority of them appear unable to think independently as they all march in step and never question the President. I find that scary.SKILMATIC said:So you will never vote for a republican again becasue why? Please enlighten me some.
scottyz said:It's already been explained. The party has been hi-jacked by a bunch of lunatics who are only conservative in the fundamentalist Christian sense. The vast majority of them appear unable to think independently as they all march in step and never question the President. I find that scary.
Pacridge said:I can understand your frustration with the current GOP. But I wouldn't go so far as saying I'd never vote GOP again. Kind of leaves your options limited, doesn't it?
I think there's still a lot of good people in the GOP. I also think they're starting to take the party back.
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