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AJiveMan · Aug 19, 2014

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dirtpoorchris said:
Another thing. I wonder why the cops havent flaunted the stolen box of cigars. And why no cigars were recorded at the murder scene.

It just doesnt make enough sense that Brown would flee after the cop initiated contact. Only to go "You know what... never mind... Now that the guy has a gun pointed at me I think im going to bumrush him."

What makes the most sense is that the cop was pissed someone would try to get away after the cop failed to punk him.

Its interesting that at first the news reported that his friend said he was laying down. But now they exclude that part. Now they only say "had his hands up" instead of saying "laying down and had his hands up"

Now that we know Brown was just another black thug, he might have tried to bribe the cop with the cigars, I'll bet those are sitting on his cruiser's front seat at this very moment, overlooked by idiots collecting evidence. :roll:

VanceMack · Aug 19, 2014

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dirtpoorchris said:
Sure the weight of a man can really affect another man when you have him by the spine. I think the cop was trying to rely on intimidation and it didnt work. Do I think the cop was trying to pull him into the car? Probably not unless he was going to riddle him with bullets while the guy was halfway pulled into the car. (unless maybe he failed to get the gun pointed at Brown and thats what the struggle was about?) I think its most likely the cop was halfway hanging out the window and was trying to cow/ make Brown bow into submission but it didnt work and Brown got away. As in he didnt want to arrest Brown. But punk him. But after Brown ran.....

I can imagine this guy trying to punk a big black man because he has a badge.

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But I am biased because I have had cops punk me 3 times so far when I have done nothing wrong. One even pointing a gun right at my head for no reason other than I was hanging out with 2 black guys.

See...thats yet another component of the problem. your personal bias allows you to 'see' things that arent in evidence. At NO TIME has ANY witness suggested the cop was leaning out of his car or car window trying to reach up and pull down the head of a 6'4"300 pounder. In fact they have quite clearly said the opposite. What you are doing is intentionally making your bias fit the scenario.

The reality is we do not know what happened. We can speculate til the cows come home. Up until the release of the autopsy report dood was gunned down from behind while on his knees with his hands up in the air. Now, well...he COULD have been trying to get to the cop or the cop COULD have been trying to pull him down or the cop COULD have backed up his cruiser too close to him-so close he couldnt open the door-and then jumped out of the car with his weapon drawn just a blasting away, or he COULD have been hit a few times and then decided he had to lunge at the cop, or he COULD have....

we dont know.

Edit: Respect for your at least being willing to acknowledge that your perspective is jaded by bias. Seriously.

Montecresto · Aug 19, 2014

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Excon said:
The DA's presentation to the GJ matters, but not as much as the evidence.
Now if he goes in there with the intent to get an indictment, he will not present all the evidence, nor does he have to. Of course that would likely end up like indicting a ham sandwich. It still wouldn't old mustard in Court. And would be a travesty of Justice.
If the DA goes in there with an honest intent to let the GJ decide by presenting all the evidence, then it is highly unlikely they will return a true bill.

Right. You haven't served on a Grand Jury. First of all, OF COURSE he's coming in there wanting an indictment, and believing there to be cause for one. Your second scenario never happens. And true bills are in the upper ninety percentile. So if this goes to a Grand Jury, there's a fewer than 5% chance for a no bill. Then you should know that the bar is lower for a GJ then a trial jury. The GJ needs only find probable cause while the trial jury needs to find beyond reasonable doubt. Do you know what percentage of GJ indictments end in acquittal in trial.

Tettsuo · Aug 19, 2014

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VanceMack said:
nah...come on now. The second part is actually believable..the first?

Why is it far-fetched to believe the cop grabbed Brown by the shirt from the squad car and yanked him closer?

VanceMack · Aug 19, 2014

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Tettsuo said:
Why is it far-fetched to believe the cop grabbed Brown by the shirt from the squad car and yanked him closer?

Logistics. Physics. Geometry. Reason.

Montecresto · Aug 19, 2014

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CanadaJohn said:
I realize a lot of things - mostly, I realize that politicians and political leaders of justice departments grandstanding for public relations points seldom if ever lead to justice being served. I noticed that President Obama stayed on his Martha's Vineyard vacation all last week while ISIS was rampaging and Gaza was under siege and yet when things got a little dicey in Ferguson, he hopped on a plane back to DC so he could confer with Eric Holder and Justice officials about what the federal role in Ferguson should be. Obama's involvement in the professor's fight with the police in New England and Trayvon Martin's death in Florida were such successes, I suppose he now wants to claim Michael Brown could have been his son too.

You seem more aware of what Obama's doing then Harper! Do you think that all AG's are political, or just the democratic ones?

dirtpoorchris · Aug 19, 2014

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Wow... So I guess now there are 12 witnesses who match "Josie" the random radio callers story. And in that same news report they state that one of the bullets entered the top back part of Browns head and exited more towards the bottom front part of his head. This **** is a ****ing circus.

Montecresto · Aug 19, 2014

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vesper said:
I think that is BS. They were left with a situation where things were getting out of control due to the media frenzy. The community as a whole was being threatened by the hideous behavior of some. To produce facts to show the masses that this wasn't a clear case of an innocent black man being shot down by a white cop as being reported nationwide in the media needed to be heard especially by the community the police serve. To release evidence that the cop himself was treated for injuries was something else the people of that community needed to hear.

Things weren't getting out of control due to "media frenzy", things got out of control because angry citizens are fed up with cops shooting unarmed young men!

dirtpoorchris · Aug 19, 2014

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VanceMack said:
Logistics. Physics. Geometry. Reason.

It is very easy to bend a man over. I am a hobbyist kung fu practitioner and I purposely spar with people bigger than me. Once you have someones neck (mauy thai grip or whatever you wanna call it) it is very, very easy to bend a person over. Even one over twice your weight. Although it isnt to hard to get out of it once someone bends your spine if all they do is try to hold you there without further combat, especially the bigger you are. So it is very believable to me that the cop cowed him with a neck pull and then lost control of him.

Erod · Aug 19, 2014

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Hatuey said:
Really?

Local police involved in 400 killings per year

In short, the police are to black people what Chicago is to black people. :lol:

What race commits the most violent crimes annually? What race mostly applies for the police academy? What race makes up most of the prison population?

And 400 per year in a country this size? That's about 0.0000001 percent of all the crimes committed per year in the U.S. And no, not all 400 are black men.

CanadaJohn · Aug 19, 2014

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SheWolf said:
No, you're old and your beliefs are out of style with my generation. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Perhaps I am old and clearly what you support is definitely not within the "style" of my generation. I wouldn't be so proud of it though. In my generation, at least for me and my contemporaries, we didn't consider any form of dehumanizing others was "in style". Clearly you think it's de rigueur. I'll enjoy not being in style with you.

Taylor · Aug 19, 2014

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dirtpoorchris said:
Common sense man. Why was there no bullet that struck the back of the inside of his skull? It went through the eye correct? Did the cop use some magical curvey bullets that make 90 degree turns? If he was standing wouldnt it hit the inside of the back of his skull? It didnt. It hit his eye. Left through the bottom of his jaw. And hit his collar bone. So then... Was Brown flying at the cop like super man with some special power of flight? Did the cop fly straight up into the air and fire down on Brown? Or was Brown lying on the ground with his hands up for the bullet to take this path?

No need for magic bullets or powers of flight - Michael Brown had a working neck. If he was charging a guy with a gun, it's unlikely he was running upright, head squarely on his shoulders, as if he were taking a jog on the beach.

VanceMack · Aug 19, 2014

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dirtpoorchris said:
It is very easy to bend a man over. I am a hobbyist kung fu practitioner and I purposely spar with people bigger than me. Once you have someones neck (mauy thai grip or whatever you wanna call it) it is very, very easy to bend a person over. Even one over twice your weight. Although it isnt to hard to get out of it once someone bends your spine if all they do is try to hold you there without further combat, especially the bigger you are. So it is very believable to me that the cop cowed him with a neck pull and then lost control of him.

No...it isnt...but if you want to I highly recommend you give it a try. Go find a friend...a nice 6'4" 300 pounder and from a seated position in your car try to pull him down. :roll:

VanceMack · Aug 19, 2014

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dirtpoorchris said:
Wow... So I guess now there are 12 witnesses who match "Josie" the random radio callers story. And in that same news report they state that one of the bullets entered the top back part of Browns head and exited more towards the bottom front part of his head. This **** is a ****ing circus.

Indeed. Thats what happens when you are creating a media spectacle from day one. Its only just getting started.

Thorgasm · Aug 19, 2014

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St. Louis police just shot and killed a man who was armed with a knife. They are having a press conference now and they have given more information in just a couple hours than Ferguson has in 10 days.

Erod · Aug 19, 2014

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Meanwhile, back to the beheadings in Iraq, the Hitleresque maneuvers of Putin, and the ongoing battles between Israel and Palestine......

This country is so easily distracted.

Erod · Aug 19, 2014

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Thorgasm said:
St. Louis police just shot and killed a man who was armed with a knife. They are having a press conference now and they have given more information in just a couple hours than Ferguson has in 10 days.

Gee, I wonder why?

Maybe the Ferguson police knew they'd have a dead police officer on their hands if such information was released in that town before making preparations.

CanadaJohn · Aug 19, 2014

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tres borrachos said:
Jack Tripper was John Ritter's name on Three's Company.:mrgreen:

Chrissy could make more sense out of this than some posters here.

Erod · Aug 19, 2014

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Redskins Run Onto Field Before Game with Hands Up for Michael Brown « CBS DC

Says it all.

Moot · Aug 19, 2014

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Erod said:
Meanwhile, back to the beheadings in Iraq, the Hitleresque maneuvers of Putin, and the ongoing battles between Israel and Palestine......

This country is so easily distracted.

I was just thinking the same thing.

tres borrachos · Aug 19, 2014

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Thorgasm said:
St. Louis police just shot and killed a man who was armed with a knife. They are having a press conference now and they have given more information in just a couple hours than Ferguson has in 10 days.

Really? Such as? I listened to it, and didn't hear any kind of detailed information other than he was brandishing a knife at police, and was shot.

CanadaJohn · Aug 19, 2014

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Montecresto said:
You seem more aware of what Obama's doing then Harper! Do you think that all AG's are political, or just the democratic ones?

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I think all American AGs are political. And I know a lot about what Harper's doing - he's keeping his nose out of Ferguson because he has nothing to offer in that regard - he is keeping his nose involved in Ukraine and Gaza - Obama could learn a thing or two from a respected, steady leader like Harper.

tres borrachos · Aug 19, 2014

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Erod said:
Redskins Run Onto Field Before Game with Hands Up for Michael Brown « CBS DC

Says it all.

We just want to show our supporters what’s going on in St. Louis,” Meriweather said. “We just wanted to show support.”

“That could have been any one of us,” said free safety Ryan Clark. “That could have been any one of our brothers, our cousins… When you get an opportunity to make a statement, and be more than a football player, it’s good.”

Show support for what?

Geezus, football & riots shouldn't mix.

Cameron · Aug 19, 2014

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I'm not sure if this has already been reported in the previous 93 page, but at least one site is saying that at least a dozen witnesses have corroborated Officer Wilson's story and that Wilson suffered a fracture to his eye socket in the incident.

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack | The Gateway Pundit

Montecresto · Aug 19, 2014

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CanadaJohn said:
d

I think all American AGs are political. And I know a lot about what Harper's doing - he's keeping his nose out of Ferguson because he has nothing to offer in that regard - he is keeping his nose involved in Ukraine and Gaza - Obama could learn a thing or two from a respected, steady leader like Harper.

Glad you acknowledged that all AG's are political. In which case pointing out Holders political agenda is senseless. Keep an eye on Harper. And we're in agreement that Obama could teach him a thing or two.

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