Privacy rights have been eroded.

[James D Hill]

Yes the reasons are supposed to be just. We have had the Cold War, The communist witch hunts, the War on Drugs, the war on left and right wing extremist, the war on terror and the patriot act. All of these ideas say lets compromise on pricavy rights for the better good of all. What we don't realize is when we lose a right we almost never get it back. In 1986 when Reagan issued a exutive order random drug testing employees of the fed we never got a chance to debate the damage to our privacy. We inpeached Nixon for wire tapping and trying to cover it up but now we wire tap friends and foe alike. I say it is about time to respect personal freedoms again. I agree we do not need another 9-11 again but when we compromise our basic freedoms we are just as bad as the right wing Islamic's who attacked us.

 

[Fenton]

Yes, under this left wing administration, the privacy rights of even our International allies have been undermined.

The NSA is absolutley out of control and there is no slowing down from the Obama administtation.

The DOJ's UnConstitutional hacking of a US Journalist was ignored as Eric Holder perjured himself in front of a Congressional Committee.

You bring up Reagan ? Lol...

Fed employees SHOULD be Drug tested.

 

[Lutherf]

Really?

Well, here's the bad news; the only way to successfully implement the socialist paradise so many people seem to want is through wholesale personal data collection. You have to know who to target and where to hit them most effectively so that means getting to know folks as well as they know themselves.

You asked for it, bro, now it's time to suck up the fallout.

 

[Moot]

Yes, under this left wing administration, the privacy rights of even our International allies have been undermined.

The NSA is absolutley out of control and there is no slowing down from the Obama administtation.

The DOJ's UnConstitutional hacking of a US Journalist was ignored as Eric Holder perjured himself in front of a Congressional Committee.

You bring up Reagan ? Lol...

Fed employees SHOULD be Drug tested.

Then why not everyone get drug tested...even you? To be fair, everyone in this country SHOULD pee in a cup or be denied the right to work. Employers want to know your health history, too.



It's laughable that Conservatives are concerned about 'privacy rights' when they pass laws mandating ID in order to vote...which is one step away from a national ID database. What next, implant chips?


“To me it violates the whole principles of privacy, the principles of the Constitution, the principles of the Republic and to me that’s a gross distortion of what we should be doing. It’s part of an authoritarian society and dictatorships have this but not a republic. We’re not supposed to have that…” - Ron Paul


Conservatives screech and moan and blame the left while they freely and willingly give up all their civil rights without so much as a whimper.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Yes the reasons are supposed to be just. We have had the Cold War, The communist witch hunts, the War on Drugs, the war on left and right wing extremist, the war on terror and the patriot act. All of these ideas say lets compromise on pricavy rights for the better good of all. What we don't realize is when we lose a right we almost never get it back. In 1986 when Reagan issued a exutive order random drug testing employees of the fed we never got a chance to debate the damage to our privacy. We inpeached Nixon for wire tapping and trying to cover it up but now we wire tap friends and foe alike. I say it is about time to respect personal freedoms again. I agree we do not need another 9-11 again but when we compromise our basic freedoms we are just as bad as the right wing Islamic's who attacked us.

So how exactly has 0bama expanded your freedoms in the five years we've had to endure this jackhole?

 

[Kobie]

Never ceases to amaze that a couple of conservatives will jump into a legitimate, non-partisan thread regarding privacy and immediately start exclusively blaming the Obama administration and yammering about a "socialist paradise." It's almost as if the major invasions of privacy from the inception of the PATRIOT Act through early 2009 never happened.

Anyone who honestly thinks the NSA only started snooping on American citizens during the Obama administration is smoking the good stuff.

 

[Fenton]

Then why not everyone get drug tested...even
you? To be fair, everyone in this country SHOULD pee in a cup or be denied the right to work. Employers want to know your health history, too.



It's laughable that Conservatives are concerned about 'privacy rights' when they pass laws mandating ID in order to vote...which is one step away from a national ID database. What next, implant chips?


“To me it violates the whole principles of privacy, the principles of the Constitution, the principles of the Republic and to me that’s a gross distortion of what we should be doing. It’s part of an authoritarian society and dictatorships have this but not a republic. We’re not supposed to have that…” - Ron Paul


Conservatives screech and moan and blame the left while they freely and willingly give up all their civil rights without so much as a whimper.

I am, it's part of my employment Contract, which I signed and agree with.

I worl around ( for the last 30 years ) devices that if mishandled will STOP YOUR HEART in a mili-second.

I don't know how else to describe a 100 Horse Power Inverter with a 800 volt DC Bus and 18 coke can sized High Voltage Capacitors looking for a decent path to ground.

Or voltage multiplier circuits with the amperage capaity to match, or 3 phase 480 volt MMC panels.

I don't want ANY person anywhere near me let alone working with me thats under the influence of anything stronger than caffiene.

I think people that abuse drugs are not operating at their peak performance and I don't have much patience for it

Yes even marijuana, which I consider a far more dangerous and insidious drug than cocaine and heroin.

 

[Kobie]

Yes even marijuana, which I consider a far more dangerous and insidious drug than cocaine and heroin.

The idea that marijuana is more dangerous than cocaine or heroin is absurd on an almost metaphysical level.

 

[Fenton]

The idea that marijuana is more dangerous
than cocaine or heroin is absurd on an almost metaphysical level.

I get that my description of marijuana as being far more INSIDIOUS might confise some, so I'll explain.

Cocaine and heroin are generally considered by most to be very dangerous, to be very addictive and there's no comparable push to legalize them.

That is comparable to the recent push to legaloze marijuana and all of the misinformation that goes with it.

With some exception. Marijuana turns otherwise bright and motivated individuals into morons, amotivational and indifferent.

Its no wonder the push to legalize it follows party lines. Democrats depend on the stupid and indifferent.

What it does to the minds of young adults and teenagers alone is enough to keep it illegal and the truth is it is being mischaracterized as a " healthy alternative '' to alcohol by the same people that pushed its legalization on the grounds it was " medicine."

It was dishonest and I think if it is legalized in America we can kiss any great things ever being accomplished by this nation goodbye, as the populations cumalitive IQ drops a good 20 points.

 

[Kobie]

I get that my description of marijuana as being far more INSIDIOUS might confise some, so I'll explain.

Cocaine and heroin are generally considered by most to be very dangerous, to be very addictive and there's no comparable push to legalize them.

That is comparable to the recent push to legaloze marijuana and all of the misinformation that goes with it.

With some exception. Marijuana turns otherwise bright and motivated individuals into morons, amotivational and indifferent.

Its no wonder the push to legalize it follows party lines. Democrats depend on the stupid and indifferent.

What it does to the minds of young adults and teenagers alone is enough to keep it illegal and the truth is it is being mischaracterized as a " healthy alternative '' to alcohol by the same people that pushed its legalization on the grounds it was " medicine."

It was dishonest and I think if it is legalized in America we can kiss any great things ever being accomplished by this nation goodbye, as the populations cumalitive IQ drops a good 20 points.

Even in a legitimate argument about drug legalization (one I disagree with, but still a legitimate one), you have to take a horse**** hyperpartisan shot. I should have expected nothing less.

 

[Moot]

I get that my description of marijuana as being far more INSIDIOUS might confise some, so I'll explain.

Cocaine and heroin are generally considered by most to be very dangerous, to be very addictive and there's no comparable push to legalize them.

Marijuana is not addictive and the only reason it's dangerous is because it's illegal.

That is comparable to the recent push to legaloze marijuana and all of the misinformation that goes with it.

With some exception. Marijuana turns otherwise bright and motivated individuals into morons, amotivational and indifferent.

Its no wonder the push to legalize it follows party lines. Democrats depend on the stupid and indifferent. What it does to the minds of young adults and teenagers alone is enough to keep it illegal and the truth is it is being mischaracterized as a " healthy alternative '' to alcohol by the same people that pushed its legalization on the grounds it was " medicine."

It was dishonest and I think if it is legalized in America we can kiss any great things ever being accomplished by this nation goodbye, as the populations cumalitive IQ drops a good 20 points.

I think alcohol and prescription pain killers are far more inebriating, dilabitating, addicting and dangerous than pot. But I agree, if ipot is legalized there should be an age limit to help prevent kids from smoking it....like there is for alcohol and cigarettes.

 

[Moot]

I am, it's part of my employment Contract, which I signed and agree with.

I worl around ( for the last 30 years ) devices that if mishandled will STOP YOUR HEART in a mili-second.

I don't know how else to describe a 100 Horse Power Inverter with a 800 volt DC Bus and 18 coke can sized High Voltage Capacitors looking for a decent path to ground.

Or voltage multiplier circuits with the amperage capaity to match, or 3 phase 480 volt MMC panels.

I don't want ANY person anywhere near me let alone working with me thats under the influence of anything stronger than caffiene.

I think people that abuse drugs are not operating at their peak performance and I don't have much patience for it

Yes even marijuana, which I consider a far more dangerous and insidious drug than cocaine and heroin.

It sounds like being drunk or even lack of sleep would be a lot more dangerous than smoking pot at a job like that.

 

[SBu]

Never ceases to amaze that a couple of conservatives will jump into a legitimate, non-partisan thread regarding privacy and immediately start exclusively blaming the Obama administration and yammering about a "socialist paradise." It's almost as if the major invasions of privacy from the inception of the PATRIOT Act through early 2009 never happened.

Anyone who honestly thinks the NSA only started snooping on American citizens during the Obama administration is smoking the good stuff.

True, both parties are responsible for growing the size of Federal government and consolidating its power, particularly in the executive, over the last 70 - 80 years. Government is primarily interested in preserving itself. If it can do some good for the people, well that's ok too, but that's more of a side note and the illusion of caring is simply necessary for reelection. In order for government to be efficient at preserving itself, it becomes necessary for it to collect information about friends and foes, citizens and non-citizens. Information and leverage is power.

You might think I'm anti-government by this post, but I'm not really. I believe government does good in the proper spheres that it should be limited to. The problem is that in the interest of self preservation, the temptation to over reach and tread on civil liberties and general freedoms is too great a temptation for a government that relies on general public ignorance and distraction to ignore.

 

[Fenton]

Marijuana
is not addictive and the only reason it's dangerous is because it's illegal.





I think alcohol and prescription pain killers are far more inebriating, dilabitating, addicting and dangerous than pot. But I agree, if ipot is legalized there should be an age limit to help prevent kids from smoking it....like there is for alcohol and cigarettes.

I don't buy into the arbitrary comparison argument.

Legalizing marijuana introduces a large amount of destructive chemicals into our society in addition

 

[Fenton]

Marijuana
is not addictive and the only reason it's dangerous is because it's illegal.





I think alcohol and prescription pain killers are far more inebriating, dilabitating, addicting and dangerous than pot. But I agree, if ipot is legalized there should be an age limit to help prevent kids from smoking it....like there is for alcohol and cigarettes.

I don't buy into the arbitrary comparison argument.

Legalizing marijuana introduces a large amount of destructive chemicals into our society in addition to what already exist.

Adding another destructive.chemical into the mix is not a good reason to legalize anythinthing let alone marijuana.

 

[Kobie]

I don't see why it's the government's job to tell me what I can and cannot legally put in my own body.

 

[Moot]

I don't buy into the arbitrary comparison argument.

Legalizing marijuana introduces a large amount of destructive chemicals into our society in addition to what already exist.

Adding another destructive.chemical into the mix is not a good reason to legalize anythinthing let alone marijuana.

I don't buy into making criminals out of innocent people and putting them in prison simply because they got caught smoking a joint.

 

[James D Hill]

Yes, under this left wing administration, the privacy rights of even our International allies have been undermined.

The NSA is absolutley out of control and there is no slowing down from the Obama administtation.

The DOJ's UnConstitutional hacking of a US Journalist was ignored as Eric Holder perjured himself in front of a Congressional Committee.

You bring up Reagan ? Lol...

Fed employees SHOULD be Drug tested.

Drug testing is a violation of privavy just like all the other things you have said. If you are alloed to be a drunk and keep your job then you should be able to use any intoxicant you want as long as you show up to work sober. You act like it was liberals who invented invasion of privacy. I seem to remember one president who wire tapped the democratic headquarters and had to resign for his facsism. I seem to remember Joe McCarthy rounding up free thinkers and calling them communist and ruining their lives. I seem to remember two GOP presidents ramping up the war on drugs to get back at the anti war movment and hippies whom they both hated because they where both from Cal where many hippies lived. Last time I checked this latest round of privacy violations where a result of the Patriot act which the GOP pushed into law along with some democrates. Your side is just as or even more so guilty than the left so don't try that on me my friend.

 

[James D Hill]

Really?

Well, here's the bad news; the only way to successfully implement the socialist paradise so many people seem to want is through wholesale personal data collection. You have to know who to target and where to hit them most effectively so that means getting to know folks as well as they know themselves.

You asked for it, bro, now it's time to suck up the fallout.

That said the right does not seem to mind invading privacy either as long as it pushes their so called moral agenda. The right does not seem to mind the war on drugs which is a major invasion of privacy along with drug testing. They do not seem to mind getting between a doctor and females who need reproductive choices. Who's idea was it to have a communist witch hunt in the 50,s,two drug wars and the Patriot act. I believe that was the right wing. Don't play all innocent my right wing friend. Your side is as if not more guilty than the left. The right wing likes to talk freedom but when it really comes down to it they oppose any new freedoms like gay marriage,Legalized pot and abortion rights. Those are all freedom issues the the right is against them all so don't act like your side is for freedom at all.

 

[James D Hill]

So how exactly has 0bama expanded your freedoms in the five years we've had to endure this jackhole?

Well gay marriage has spread and two states have legalized pot and that number is going to go up with 58% of the population saying it should be legal. Being a libertarian you should be happy for the social conservatives who are anti freedom to lose on those issues. As far as Obama goes he is alot like Bill Clintos was. He is afraid of being called soft on international issues and crime because liberals always seem to get tagged with those things. Thank you Jimmy Carter ( A great man but a bad president). Was it not the GOP who came up with the Patriot act which allowed these wire taps? I think it was.

 

[James D Hill]

Then why not everyone get drug tested...even you? To be fair, everyone in this country SHOULD pee in a cup or be denied the right to work. Employers want to know your health history, too.



It's laughable that Conservatives are concerned about 'privacy rights' when they pass laws mandating ID in order to vote...which is one step away from a national ID database. What next, implant chips?


“To me it violates the whole principles of privacy, the principles of the Constitution, the principles of the Republic and to me that’s a gross distortion of what we should be doing. It’s part of an authoritarian society and dictatorships have this but not a republic. We’re not supposed to have that…” - Ron Paul


Conservatives screech and moan and blame the left while they freely and willingly give up all their civil rights without so much as a whimper.

Who cares why the person is stupid? They should be fired no matter what the cause. All an employer should be worried about is job performance. If the person can do the job keep them if not fire them. This nation has been built on people going to the bar after work and getting drunk and as long as those people show up the next day ready to work who cared. Now that pot is legal and we all know it is a safer drug then why is it singled out while the drunks don't get fired.

You have a great point about the right wing screaming about the violation of privacy when they invented it. The communist witch hunts,watergete and two drug wars prove otherwise. They are once again being hypocrites.

 

[James D Hill]

I don't buy into the arbitrary comparison argument.

Legalizing marijuana introduces a large amount of destructive chemicals into our society in addition to what already exist.

Adding another destructive.chemical into the mix is not a good reason to legalize anythinthing let alone marijuana.

Pot does not kill. The numbers back it up my friend. Pot does not make you violent like booze. Pot does not make your teenage daughter sleep with any bum that gets her drung enough and get pregnent. Why do you advocate booze and cigatettes while wanting to keep a much safer drug illegal. That my friend is hypocritical and yes down right misimformed. Oh by the way this country ran just fine before drug testing. In fact you might say thing have gone downhill since 1986 when drug testing started because due to anti drug discrimation we now have a underclass because of chioce of intoxicants that did not exist before. If drunks can be compantant then why not potheads or any other drug user?

 

[James D Hill]

I am, it's part of my employment Contract, which I signed and agree with.

I worl around ( for the last 30 years ) devices that if mishandled will STOP YOUR HEART in a mili-second.

I don't know how else to describe a 100 Horse Power Inverter with a 800 volt DC Bus and 18 coke can sized High Voltage Capacitors looking for a decent path to ground.

Or voltage multiplier circuits with the amperage capaity to match, or 3 phase 480 volt MMC panels.

I don't want ANY person anywhere near me let alone working with me thats under the influence of anything stronger than caffiene.

I think people that abuse drugs are not operating at their peak performance and I don't have much patience for it

Yes even marijuana, which I consider a far more dangerous and insidious drug than cocaine and heroin.

Pot is far safer. Look at the body count. Booze kills 175,000 Americans a year. Cigarettes kill 550,000 a year so how can you say pot is the most dangerous? Give me a freaking break. People did that job before drug testing or one like it. Who gives a crap what you do in your own time as long as you show up to work sober?

 

[James D Hill]

I don't buy into the arbitrary comparison argument.

Legalizing marijuana introduces a large amount of destructive chemicals into our society in addition to what already exist.

Adding another destructive.chemical into the mix is not a good reason to legalize anythinthing let alone marijuana.

Are you high?

 

[James D Hill]

I don't buy into making criminals out of innocent people and putting them in prison simply because they got caught smoking a joint.

It is all politics. Pot is the drug of hippies and the anti war liberals so conservatives will always hate it.