JOHNYJ said:President Bush likes to speak to crowds.H e has public appearances all over.The only thing is these are screened crowds. They are called ' public ' appearances,but. Only pro Bush people are allowed at them.Doesn't this violate the first amendments freedom of assembly clause ?
JOHNYJ said:President Bush likes to speak to crowds.H e has public appearances all over.The only thing is these are screened crowds. They are called ' public ' appearances,but. Only pro Bush people are allowed at them.Doesn't this violate the first amendments freedom of assembly clause ?
Well, I certainly don't see any "swiftboat" pricks asking him why he was too pu$$y to serve his last two years of military service!Originally posted by debate_junkie:
Depends on the speech. During the campaign, Bush was in Central PA a few times. Just as I drug my daughter's to John Kerry's rally in Harrisburg, I also took them too Bush's speech in Hershey. When I went to the local Repub headquarters, I wasn't asked for proof that I was a member of the party, or that I was voting for Bush.
So a blanket "only pro Bush" people are allowed is untrue, because if someone who doesn't back Bush, wants to give their money to him to attend a fund raiser, are they going to give them a "test" to get in the door? I don't think so.
Billo_Really said:Well, I certainly don't see any "swiftboat" pricks asking him why he was too pu$$y to serve his last two years of military service!
debate_junkie said:And what does that have to do with Freedom of Assembly?
I'll tell you exactly what it has to do with it. First, the original proposition by JOHNYJ:Originally posted by debate_junkie:
And what does that have to do with Freedom of Assembly?
Then you replied:Originally Posted by JOHNYJ
President Bush likes to speak to crowds.H e has public appearances all over.The only thing is these are screened crowds. They are called ' public ' appearances,but. Only pro Bush people are allowed at them.Doesn't this violate the first amendments freedom of assembly clause ?
Which started me thinking that if what you said was true, how come no one in those town hall meetings ever asked him a tough question? All the questions I heard were far too sterilized? Then I think of the way these Swiftboat vets go after someone who actually went to Vietnam, and then in contrast, turn a deaf ear to someone who, not only did not go, but walked out on the last two years of his obligation to his country. This is the kind of hypocrisy that slaps me in the face. So if I was at one of those meetings, it would be these type of questions I would be asking. That is, of coarse, it was a true Freedom of Assembly. But since it wasn't, all the people that would ask these tough questions, got weeded out!Originally posted by debate_junkie:
So a blanket "only pro Bush" people are allowed is untrue, because if someone who doesn't back Bush, wants to give their money to him to attend a fund raiser, are they going to give them a "test" to get in the door? I don't think so
A number of these incidents don't involve people attending the rallies. they'r just eople nearby. Some with demonstration permits.Connecticutter said:While the practice may be wrong, it does not violate freedom of assembly because it's Bush's speech, and he has the right to allow who he wants to be a part of it. If someone wants to hold an anti-Bush meeting, they are allowed.
Billo_Really said:I'll tell you exactly what it has to do with it. First, the original proposition by JOHNYJ:Then you replied:Which started me thinking that if what you said was true, how come no one in those town hall meetings ever asked him a tough question? All the questions I heard were far too sterilized? Then I think of the way these Swiftboat vets go after someone who actually went to Vietnam, and then in contrast, turn a deaf ear to someone who, not only did not go, but walked out on the last two years of his obligation to his country. This is the kind of hypocrisy that slaps me in the face. So if I was at one of those meetings, it would be these type of questions I would be asking. That is, of coarse, it was a true Freedom of Assembly. But since it wasn't, all the people that would ask these tough questions, got weeded out!
Billo_Really said:I'll tell you exactly what it has to do with it. First, the original proposition by JOHNYJ:Then you replied:Which started me thinking that if what you said was true, how come no one in those town hall meetings ever asked him a tough question? All the questions I heard were far too sterilized? Then I think of the way these Swiftboat vets go after someone who actually went to Vietnam, and then in contrast, turn a deaf ear to someone who, not only did not go, but walked out on the last two years of his obligation to his country. This is the kind of hypocrisy that slaps me in the face. So if I was at one of those meetings, it would be these type of questions I would be asking. That is, of coarse, it was a true Freedom of Assembly. But since it wasn't, all the people that would ask these tough questions, got weeded out!
I would have to agree. People think I just hate Bush. But I don't think Kerry would have been any different. In my book, they both suck!Originally posted by debate_junkie:
I understand your thinking... but I think the same is for both sides. I don't recall Kerry being asked tough questions when he had "townhall" type settings. I think weeding out of questions is done beforehand for candidates to make sure they have a chance to speak, and not have to be on defense all evening. Things like, in example the last election, military service... while important to perhaps showing leadership as commander in chief, shouldn't define a candidate's ability on ALL issues. Like I said in my rant over in Liberalism is a mental disorder, political campaigning has come down to scouring through someone's past and finding ANYTHING that can be exploited.
It's prevention really... giving candidates a chance to speak and answer on the issues. I don't agree with it. I think the candidates SHOULD be challenged by the people... but I don't run the RNC or the DNC.
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