President Bush claims he's exempt from security oversight too

danarhea · Jun 23, 2007

The Los Angeles Times is about to report that President Bush is going to ignore his own executive order, which orders the Executive branch to release information to Congress. Says it doesn't apply to him. Cheney made the same argument yesterday, and used a convoluted logic to claim he was not part of the executive branch. In saying this order does not apply to him, Bush is pretty much implying the same thing for himself.

HUH?!?!?!?!

Article is here.

Billo_Really · Jun 23, 2007

We wouldn't be having these problems if Congress would just go down to their local sporting goods store, pick themselves up a set of balls, then come back and impeach those two un-American bastards!

Trajan Octavian Titus · Jun 23, 2007

danarhea said:
The Los Angeles Times is about to report that President Bush is going to ignore his own executive order, which orders the Executive branch to release information to Congress. Says it doesn't apply to him. Cheney made the same argument yesterday, and used a convoluted logic to claim he was not part of the executive branch. In saying this order does not apply to him, Bush is pretty much implying the same thing for himself.

HUH?!?!?!?!

Article is here.

Why is the judiciary allowed such secrecy but not the executive? What is it about the separtion of powers that you people hate so much?

Binary_Digit · Jun 23, 2007

Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Why is the judiciary allowed such secrecy but not the executive?

What's that got to do with anything? The executive order doesn't apply to the judiciary.

Trajan Octavian Titus said:
What is it about the separtion of powers that you people hate so much?

What is it about checks and balances that you people hate so much?

Billo_Really · Jun 23, 2007

This is not suprising. You could see this coming a mile away. First the Patriot Act. Then illegal wiretapping. Then the MCA. Then this latest Presidential Directive. This is how Hitler did it. Consolidated his power, LEGALLY! And then you got all these brain-dead, anti-American moron's arguing that this is a good thing. No, this is the start of tyranny.

Trajan Octavian Titus · Jun 23, 2007

Billo_Really said:
This is not suprising. You could see this coming a mile away. First the Patriot Act. Then illegal wiretapping. Then the MCA. Then this latest Presidential Directive. This is how Hitler did it. Consolidated his power, LEGALLY! And then you got all these brain-dead, anti-American moron's arguing that this is a good thing. No, this is the start of tyranny.

Talk to me in a year and a half and if GWB refuses to step down I'll conceed but until then your assertions are bullshit and your characterizations of the aforementioned legislation is misinformation.

Trajan Octavian Titus · Jun 23, 2007

Binary_Digit said:
What's that got to do with anything? The executive order doesn't apply to the judiciary.

If it's an executive order then the executive can rescind it or change it now can't he?

What is it about checks and balances that you people hate so much?

You don't want checks and balances you want political witch hunts.

RightinNYC · Jun 23, 2007

Billo_Really said:
This is not suprising. You could see this coming a mile away. First the Patriot Act. Then illegal wiretapping. Then the MCA. Then this latest Presidential Directive. This is how Hitler did it. Consolidated his power, LEGALLY! And then you got all these brain-dead, anti-American moron's arguing that this is a good thing. No, this is the start of tyranny.

Why are you always so hysterical about this stuff? Here's the whole story:

Bush claims oversight exemption too - Los Angeles Times

An executive order that Bush issued in March 2003 — amending an existing order — requires all government agencies that are part of the executive branch to submit to oversight. Although it doesn't specifically say so, Bush's order was not meant to apply to the vice president's office or the president's office, a White House spokesman said.

The order aimed to create a uniform system for classifying, declassifying and otherwise safeguarding national security information. It gave the archives' oversight unit responsibility for evaluating the effectiveness of each agency's classification programs. It applied to the executive branch of government, mostly agencies led by Bush administration appointees — not to legislative offices such as Congress or to judicial offices such as the courts.

"Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their government," the executive order said.

But from the start, Bush considered his office and Cheney's exempt from the reporting requirements, White House spokesman Tony Fratto said in an interview Friday.

Waxman and J. William Leonard, director of the Information Security Oversight Office, have argued that the order clearly applies to all executive branch agencies, including the offices of the vice president and the president.

The White House disagrees, Fratto said.

"We don't dispute that the ISOO has a different opinion. But let's be very clear: This executive order was issued by the president, and he knows what his intentions were," Fratto said. "He is in compliance with his executive order."

It's basically a case where someone else is saying "Here's what you meant by this order you wrote" and the white house is saying "No, it's not."

There's no issue of separation of powers, there's no issue of checks and balances, it's just a very simple question of what was meant by the Presidential Order. And because of the nature of it, what the white house says it meant is what it means.

Non-story.

Billo_Really · Jun 24, 2007

Originally posted by RightinNYU:
It's basically a case where someone else is saying "Here's what you meant by this order you wrote" and the white house is saying "No, it's not."

There's no issue of separation of powers, there's no issue of checks and balances, it's just a very simple question of what was meant by the Presidential Order. And because of the nature of it, what the white house says it meant is what it means.

Non-story.

Any decisions by the Executive and Legislative branches can be ruled un-Constitutional by the Judicial branch if they so deem. The President doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he feels like doing. The only power the President has is that power Congress says he can have.

RightinNYC · Jun 24, 2007

Billo_Really said:
Any decisions by the Executive and Legislative branches can be ruled un-Constitutional by the Judicial branch if they so deem. The President doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he feels like doing. The only power the President has is that power Congress says he can have.

You've obviously never read the Constitution. This sounds quite un-American.

Trajan Octavian Titus · Jun 24, 2007

Billo_Really said:
Any decisions by the Executive and Legislative branches can be ruled un-Constitutional by the Judicial branch if they so deem. The President doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he feels like doing. The only power the President has is that power Congress says he can have.

lmfao the only power the Presidnet has is the power the Congress says he has? What about Article 2 of the Constitution? Have you know respect what so ever for the separation of powers? And if you feel so strongly why don't you file a writ of certiorari with the SCOTUS? Be sure to include that the President works for the Congress too. :doh

Billo_Really · Jun 24, 2007

Originally posted by TOT:
lmfao the only power the Presidnet has is the power the Congress says he has? What about Article 2 of the Constitution? Have you know respect what so ever for the separation of powers? And if you feel so strongly why don't you file a writ of certiorari with the SCOTUS? Be sure to include that the President works for the Congress too.

Okay, so that post won't go on my highlight reel. At the time, I didn't want Appleboy to think he went 1 up in the bottom of the ninth. I was stuck for a response and decided to bluff my way through that one.

Sergeant Stinger1 · Jun 24, 2007

Another day another Bush problem. Guess its never going to end until he finally gets out.
Q:
Why does Bush hate Americans and love other countrys people???

dragonslayer · Jun 24, 2007

danarhea said:
The Los Angeles Times is about to report that President Bush is going to ignore his own executive order, which orders the Executive branch to release information to Congress. Says it doesn't apply to him. Cheney made the same argument yesterday, and used a convoluted logic to claim he was not part of the executive branch. In saying this order does not apply to him, Bush is pretty much implying the same thing for himself.

HUH?!?!?!?!

Article is here.

Bush and Cheney belong in prison. The problem with them is that they realize that the American people don't like or approve of them, and they have nothing to lose. They look at America and give us a great big finger. They hate America.

politic_analyst · Jun 25, 2007

dragonslayer said:
Bush and Cheney belong in prison. The problem with them is that they realize that the American people don't like or approve of them, and they have nothing to lose. They look at America and give us a great big finger. They hate America.

All it takes is an act of congress for impeachment. They don't because they are all in the same business....they love money.

politic_analyst · Jun 25, 2007

I don't know why people are shock about what bush is saying. This has been practiced so many times by presidents of the US, the only difference, they hid it well, very well.

politic_analyst · Jun 25, 2007

Sergeant Stinger1 said:
Another day another Bush problem. Guess its never going to end until he finally gets out.
Q:
Why does Bush hate Americans and love other countrys people???

That is what people said too when other presidents are on their last terms. There is a huge problem in american politics, there is no integrity left. Its not what is good for the country its what is good for a few people and their corporate lobbyist.

Kasmos · Jun 25, 2007

I don't care who you are or what party you agree with, but does it not seem odd that both Cheney and Bush are trying to not be forced to hand over information??

I mean... it's not like they could be wanting to hide anything...:roll:

politic_analyst · Jun 25, 2007

Kasmos said:
I don't care who you are or what party you agree with, but does it not seem odd that both Cheney and Bush are trying to not be forced to hand over information??

The top dogs of the free world adhere to rules.....nah....

Don't worry in about 50 years or so it will be shared just like the CIA records. Its always shared when it's way too late.

RightinNYC · Jun 25, 2007

Billo_Really said:
Okay, so that post won't go on my highlight reel. At the time, I didn't want Appleboy to think he went 1 up in the bottom of the ninth. I was stuck for a response and decided to bluff my way through that one.

You're an honest man billo, even if you frustrate the hell out of me sometimes. :2razz: :2wave:

Zyphlin · Jun 25, 2007

Please someone help me here.

When has the Vice President of President became "Agencies"? Because from what I'm saying, this is saying executive branch AGENCIES are subject to this, not "the executive branch". FBI, CIA, etc those are AGENCIES, the office of the VP is not.

Right is correct, this is simply a case of people trying to go "No, you didn't mean it that way, because its not the way we want to read it, so therefore what you meant to say is wrong"

Sergeant Stinger1 · Jun 26, 2007

politic_analyst said:
That is what people said too when other presidents are on their last terms. There is a huge problem in american politics, there is no integrity left. Its not what is good for the country its what is good for a few people and their corporate lobbyist.

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