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This argument is only for places/States where Abortion is 100% Legal.
This is also not about how the law currently is... but in modifying the law.
Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN
This argument is not about biology. This argument is about the law. The issue is currently unequal under the law. This discriminates against men and forces men to pay for a choice that the woman makes.
- Women currently have a post conception opt out of having and paying for a child that they do not want.
- Men currently do not have a post conception opt out of having and paying for a child that they do not want.
Right now, women have all of the power over their pregnancy, and that is how it should be. They can have the child or not have the child. That is how it should be.
Women should be able to have sex, get pregnant and walk away from parenthood and from paying for a child they do not want (abort the child) if they want to, and they have this right.
Men should be able to have sex, get a woman pregnant and walk away from parenthood and from paying for a child they do not want if they want to, but they do not have this right.
Currently men are bound to whatever choice a woman makes post conception. She can walk away, and he cannot walk away. This is unequal.
What many have proposed is essentially the following:
- Man and woman have sex.
- Woman gets pregnant.
Woman has options:
- Woman never informs man of pregnancy and aborts
- Woman never informs man of pregnancy and has child but never gets financial help from him
- Woman never informs man of pregnancy and has child but then later hits him up for financial help
- Woman informs man of pregnancy and wants no financial support as they have some sort of joint custody
- Woman informs many of pregnancy and wants financials support from the man (Option 5)
If the 5th one happens the man should get some choices. At this point the man has options:
- Man agrees to pay and has some sort of custody
- Man agrees to pay and has no role in the child’s life
- Man does not agree to pay for anything and wants nothing to do with her or the child (Option 3)
If he chooses Option 3 then the woman has options again:
- Woman has an abortion
- Woman gives the baby up for adoption
- Woman has the child and pays for it herself
It is pretty simple.
This is post-conception opt-out that makes it equal for everybody.
As always, we will see posts from people that make the claim that if the man has options that the woman is being controlled. That is not the case. She has all the power over her body and pregnancy. At no time does the man have any power to have her abort or to not abort.
We might see people conflate the argument… insisting that biology and law can not be separated. That is utterly ridiculous. This is about post-conception. She is already pregnant. It is about Choice. There is no child at this point and there never is a child in this argument. Those that insist that there is are lying.
We might see the worst type of debate… the man has to pay and gave up all his rights once he came even though she did not give up her rights.
Anyway… thoughts?
This is also not about how the law currently is... but in modifying the law.
Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN
This argument is not about biology. This argument is about the law. The issue is currently unequal under the law. This discriminates against men and forces men to pay for a choice that the woman makes.
- Women currently have a post conception opt out of having and paying for a child that they do not want.
- Men currently do not have a post conception opt out of having and paying for a child that they do not want.
Right now, women have all of the power over their pregnancy, and that is how it should be. They can have the child or not have the child. That is how it should be.
Women should be able to have sex, get pregnant and walk away from parenthood and from paying for a child they do not want (abort the child) if they want to, and they have this right.
Men should be able to have sex, get a woman pregnant and walk away from parenthood and from paying for a child they do not want if they want to, but they do not have this right.
Currently men are bound to whatever choice a woman makes post conception. She can walk away, and he cannot walk away. This is unequal.
What many have proposed is essentially the following:
- Man and woman have sex.
- Woman gets pregnant.
Woman has options:
- Woman never informs man of pregnancy and aborts
- Woman never informs man of pregnancy and has child but never gets financial help from him
- Woman never informs man of pregnancy and has child but then later hits him up for financial help
- Woman informs man of pregnancy and wants no financial support as they have some sort of joint custody
- Woman informs many of pregnancy and wants financials support from the man (Option 5)
If the 5th one happens the man should get some choices. At this point the man has options:
- Man agrees to pay and has some sort of custody
- Man agrees to pay and has no role in the child’s life
- Man does not agree to pay for anything and wants nothing to do with her or the child (Option 3)
If he chooses Option 3 then the woman has options again:
- Woman has an abortion
- Woman gives the baby up for adoption
- Woman has the child and pays for it herself
It is pretty simple.
This is post-conception opt-out that makes it equal for everybody.
As always, we will see posts from people that make the claim that if the man has options that the woman is being controlled. That is not the case. She has all the power over her body and pregnancy. At no time does the man have any power to have her abort or to not abort.
We might see people conflate the argument… insisting that biology and law can not be separated. That is utterly ridiculous. This is about post-conception. She is already pregnant. It is about Choice. There is no child at this point and there never is a child in this argument. Those that insist that there is are lying.
We might see the worst type of debate… the man has to pay and gave up all his rights once he came even though she did not give up her rights.
Anyway… thoughts?