Post-2026: Should Dems go after the Trump Admin?

[Dans La Lune]

I think there needs to be a long series of investigations of the egregious corruption, self-dealing, shaking down media organization, concealing evidence of criminality, leveraging the DOJ, etc. The amount of corruption here is just so off the charts that it is legitimately stuns the brain trying to calculate it. It stunned the brain during Trump's first term, and this is several times worse.

Democrats erred after 2008 for not going after the Bush Admin, and it could be argued that Trump is a result of that. There needs to be accountability in government. Otherwise it's just professional wrestling / political theatre.


OR

Should Dems just let bygones be bygones and "heal" political divides *coughrollover*?

 

[Loulit01]

They're criminals and should be incarcerated.

 

[NuffSaid]

Dems should focus on Americans.

They've spent way too much time on "Trump bad", and what it got them was NOT the WH nor a majority in either House or Senate.

 

[Slartibartfast]

We should put someone like Jack Smith in charge of the DOJ and just get it done while the administration focuses on helping the middle class.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Dems should focus on Americans.

They've spent way too much time on "Trump bad", and what it got them was NOT the WH nor a majority in either House or Senate.

Why can't they do both?

 

[gman]

I’m undecided at this point. On one hand I say go for it but on the other, I’m sick and tired of how much time and energy is expended to perform what has suddenly become the norm in Washington politics. Revenge politics is sickening. There’s so much that needs attention for fixing it all gets muddied and mucked up, put on the back burner, all for what? In the past 30+ years or so we’ve displayed to ourselves and the world that, we are fickle nation, we are a nation obsessed with trends, we can’t be trusted because of our ever changing political situation, people have become better educated and aware of politics and what a shitty, slimey, game it is to the detriment of most of us. The list goes on and on and the frustration continues to grow on both sides.

 

[Lutherf]

I think there needs to be a long series of investigations of the egregious corruption, self-dealing, shaking down media organization, concealing evidence of criminality, leveraging the DOJ, etc. The amount of corruption here is just so off the charts that it is legitimately stuns the brain trying to calculate it. It stunned the brain during Trump's first term, and this is several times worse.

Democrats erred after 2008 for not going after the Bush Admin, and it could be argued that Trump is a result of that. There needs to be accountability in government. Otherwise it's just professional wrestling / political theatre.


OR

Should Dems just let bygones be bygones and "heal" political divides *coughrollover*?

Why bother with an investigation? Just pick a few dozen things and prosecute. When you get right down to it, this kind of thing is never about a conviction but more about the political optics of slandering your opponent and costing them huge amounts of money.

 

[NuffSaid]

Why can't they do both?

Being a cynical Democrat here - Democrats can't seem to tighten a loose bolt without losing the nut.

All of the efforts that DOJ did between 2021 and 2024 were wasted. Trump, even though a felon, was elected again. Every other case was delayed until Trump had them dismissed. At what point do Democrats understand that chasing this won't end well. Republicans have a unified message - "Lawfare!". It works.

I truly want Democrats to focus on Americans. They can hold meetings and hearings and have Trump's administration show up (If they want to, it seems Trump's group just ignores subpoenas and don't get any punishment for ignoring them) to answer questions.

 

[NuffSaid]

Why bother with an investigation? Just pick a few dozen things and prosecute. When you get right down to it, this kind of thing is never about a conviction but more about the political optics of slandering your opponent and costing them huge amounts of money.

Like Idiot Comer and Sex Abuse Ignorer did to Joe Biden for 4 years?

 

[Risky Thicket]

That's a big question but one that needs to be considered.

I seriously doubt Trump will finish his term. His progressive mental illness will render him incapable beyond a doubt. We will see less and less of him as his handlers try to keep him out of the public eye. Trump will be removed or he will have to step down. Taking him to court will be futile.

As for the rest of the government there should be investigations. More than anything we must learn how no party, no president, no monied interests, no religious interests, no foreign interests can ever again come close to destroying our democracy - and that is IF we have a democracy once the present term ends.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Being a cynical Democrat here - Democrats can't seem to tighten a loose bolt without losing the nut.

Get better Democrats. I don't expect anything happening with Hakeem or Schumer, especially not a progressive agenda. I expect losers fumbling the ball, as they've been doing since Trump was re-elected and before.

All of the efforts that DOJ did between 2021 and 2024 were wasted. Trump, even though a felon, was elected again. Every other case was delayed until Trump had them dismissed. At what point do Democrats understand that chasing this won't end well. Republicans have a unified message - "Lawfare!". It works.

Who cares what Republicans say? They're going to say Lawfare regardless of what Dems do. Dems can sneeze and they'll call it Lawfare. The American people who elect Dems want Dems to fight for what is right, not sideline themselves to make nice with Republican crooks. If Dems can't enact consequences for the mass corruption of Republicans, I'm not sure what the point of winning is.

I truly want Democrats to focus on Americans. They can hold meetings and hearings and have Trump's administration show up (If they want to, it seems Trump's group just ignores subpoenas and don't get any punishment for ignoring them) to answer questions.

If I had to choose, then yes focus on Americans. But if Dems let Republicans loot the government and walk away scott free with the loot, they are just gettaway drivers for Republicans, and not acting in the best interest of the American people.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Why bother with an investigation?

Because otherwise it's not Law and Order.

Just pick a few dozen things and prosecute. When you get right down to it, this kind of thing is never about a conviction but more about the political optics of slandering your opponent and costing them huge amounts of money.

That's a right-wing perception of the justice system, I agree.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

I think there needs to be a long series of investigations of the egregious corruption, self-dealing, shaking down media organization, concealing evidence of criminality, leveraging the DOJ, etc. The amount of corruption here is just so off the charts that it is legitimately stuns the brain trying to calculate it. It stunned the brain during Trump's first term, and this is several times worse.

You mean the same DEM's who impeached Trump for Russian Collusion when they all knew hillary bought the fake dossier ?

So did you see all the corruption and money laundering DOGE uncovered in USAID ?
Did you put a poll out on that to ask id DEM's should investigate THOSE REAL CRIMINALS ???.....

You do know that Trump is going to court and winning most of the cases that go to court, because Trump is in the right, and many lib/DEM Judges are abusing their powers , right ?....

Also you should really note that following, upholding , and enforcing the LAWS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS IS NOT A CRIME or a Bad thing !..........

Democrats erred after 2008 for not going after the Bush Admin, and it could be argued that Trump is a result of that. There needs to be accountability in government. Otherwise it's just professional wrestling / political theatre.

They did not go after Bush because they would have to admit that they did not do their job of making sure Bush & Co. were telling the truth about WMD..... They really didn't care , just used it to score political points, at the end of the day.

OR

Should Dems just let bygones be bygones and "heal" political divides *coughrollover*?

DEMs are the biggest cause of our political divide!
They hate America & Americans who want a President who fight for America first !......
Let that sink in !

 

[Gatsby]

The next administration should prosecute any crimes that were committed. They don't need to go out of their way to investigate and harass people for minor things, but anyone who committed major criminal acts should be held accountable. And Trump himself still needs to be sentenced for the 34 felonies of which he has already been convicted. But given his age when his term is over, I doubt he ever spends a day in a jail cell.

 

[redbeer]

I think there needs to be a long series of investigations of the egregious corruption, self-dealing, shaking down media organization, concealing evidence of criminality, leveraging the DOJ, etc. The amount of corruption here is just so off the charts that it is legitimately stuns the brain trying to calculate it. It stunned the brain during Trump's first term, and this is several times worse.

Democrats erred after 2008 for not going after the Bush Admin, and it could be argued that Trump is a result of that. There needs to be accountability in government. Otherwise it's just professional wrestling / political theatre.


OR

Should Dems just let bygones be bygones and "heal" political divides *coughrollover*?

Yeah, run on that, put your focus 100% on "getting Trump" your entire platform in 26' and 28'. Get all your leaders to synthesize together and unite the entire cult behind this platform. Elect representatives who speak it the loudest and most proficient. Have the propaganda outlets run with it the next four years, running the platform 24/7 till minds are influenced in unison. "Unite to Save America" should be your motto.......

 

[forn]

Lol, it's 70% for going after the Trump administration as of this writing. This is proof the Democrats don't learn from their mistakes. All their efforts to "get Trump" so far have only made him more popular.

 

[Gatsby]

Lol, it's 70% for going after the Trump administration as of this writing. This is proof the Democrats don't learn from their mistakes. All their efforts to "get Trump" so far have only made him more popular.

Trump has had a net-unfavorable rating for pretty much the entirety of his time in politics. The reason he managed to win two of his three elections is because the Democrats are also incredibly unpopular, not because the voters like Donald Trump. Let's not pretend that people find it charming that their president does a lot of crimes.

 

[forn]

Trump has had a net-unfavorable rating for pretty much the entirety of his time in politics. The reason he managed to win two of his three elections is because the Democrats are also incredibly unpopular, not because the voters like Donald Trump. Let's not pretend that people find it charming that their president does a lot of crimes.

These days low approval ratings are pretty much the norm. But as the saying goes, the only polls that matter are the elections.

 

[Perotista]

I think there needs to be a long series of investigations of the egregious corruption, self-dealing, shaking down media organization, concealing evidence of criminality, leveraging the DOJ, etc. The amount of corruption here is just so off the charts that it is legitimately stuns the brain trying to calculate it. It stunned the brain during Trump's first term, and this is several times worse.

Democrats erred after 2008 for not going after the Bush Admin, and it could be argued that Trump is a result of that. There needs to be accountability in government. Otherwise it's just professional wrestling / political theatre.


OR

Should Dems just let bygones be bygones and "heal" political divides *coughrollover*?

That’s up to the democrats to decide. However, there’re a lot of folks out there who believed with the democrats over the last several years used the power of government to try to eliminate a political opponent. Lawfare is how the republicans described it. Keep in mind that MAGA makes up approximately a quarter of the electorate and republicans at 28% last year. The same percentage of the electorate that democrats made up. Meaning Trump received half of the votes he received from non-MAGA voters.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

Now we’ll never know the exact numbers who voted against Trump because of all the indictments, convictions, impeachments, accusations, etc. and how many voted for him because they deemed the democrats were using the power of government to eliminate him as a political opponent. Exit polls didn’t ask any question close to this.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/national-results/general/president/0

Now a similar question was asked. Those voters who thought our democracy was threatened voted for Trump 50-48 over Harris. It wasn’t broken down among those who thought Trump was the threat to our democracy or if they thought the democrats were the threat due to their using the power of government to try to eliminate a political opponent, lawfare.

What’s most interesting is 73% of those who voted who thought our democracy was threatened. That one or the other major party or both major parties were a direct threat to our democracy. Which party or both was or is the threat, the exit polls didn’t specify. But it’s sad commentary that almost three quarters of all Americans think one or the other major party or both are threats to our democracy. Something the democrats need to keep in mind if they decide to go after Trump and company.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Dems should focus on Americans.

They've spent way too much time on "Trump bad", and what it got them was NOT the WH nor a majority in either House or Senate.

If we fail once again to properly punish them for this attack on our country, it will keep happening. It’s also the right thing to do.

 

[The Brad Dad]

First and foremost: Stephen Miller is arrested and sent to Sudan while awaiting trial.

 

[Perotista]

Should Dems just let bygones be bygones and "heal" political divides *coughrollover*?

Let me add this. Due to blind party loyalty and partisanship there will be no healing of the divides. Over the last several decades with all the negative attacks from both parties on the other party, members of both parties have become to believe all those attacks are true, they believe them in their hearts. They come to believe the other major party is out to destroy this nation and only their party can save it.

I call this our modern political era of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship era. No one president, no one party can ever heal this. It would take both major parties to walk back their negative political rhetoric, charges, etc. to work together, compromise and bring back some common sense to government and governing. Today, in this modern political era both major parties govern only for their base. Not for America as a whole. This has led to the rise of independents, those who are non-affiliated, the less to non-partisan swing voters from 30% of the electorate back in 2006 up to 43% today as both major parties shrink. This has resulted in both major parties being made up of more and more hard-core ideologues who are unwilling to compromise or work with the other party for the good of the nation.

Both major parties have brought this on our nation, both in doing so are the threats to our democracy. Only they see the other party as the threat, not themselves when they have had as much to do with today’s modern political era as the other party has.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Let me add this. Due to blind party loyalty and partisanship there will be no healing of the divides. Over the last several decades with all the negative attacks from both parties on the other party, members of both parties have become to believe all those attacks are true, they believe them in their hearts. They come to believe the other major party is out to destroy this nation and only their party can save it.

I call this our modern political era of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship era. No one president, no one party can ever heal this. It would take both major parties to walk back their negative political rhetoric, charges, etc. to work together, compromise and bring back some common sense to government and governing. Today, in this modern political era both major parties govern only for their base. Not for America as a whole. This has led to the rise of independents, those who are non-affiliated, the less to non-partisan swing voters from 30% of the electorate back in 2006 up to 43% today as both major parties shrink. This has resulted in both major parties being made up of more and more hard-core ideologues who are unwilling to compromise or work with the other party for the good of the nation.

Both major parties have brought this on our nation, both in doing so are the threats to our democracy. Only they see the other party as the threat, not themselves when they have had as much to do with today’s modern political era as the other party has.

It's not really polarization or partisanship on behalf of Democrats, except against Trump himself. It's acquiescence. They see Trump as an aberration of Republicans, not the fulfillment their decades long agenda. Democrats have always been eager to roll over for Republicans and hope that they will 'break the fever' and return to 'normalcy'. They've been saying it since 2008. Keep in mind that normalcy is where they 'meet in the middle' and agree to rip of the American people together, rather than accrue power on one side (MAGA).

Obama and Biden were close to 'reforming' (cutting) entitlements (e.g. Social Security) in 2012, but America was saved because Republicans were not willing to compromise and wanted to go even further. Kind of like with the ACA, where Dems adopted Republican ideas, only for Republicans to call those ideas socialist once Dems implemented them.

The lesson should be to not move right to get along. Because if Dems move right, so will Republicans. Dems need to develop an ideology that they actually believe in and fight for those principles. And fire all political consultants, who have utterly ruined the Democratic party with their poll-tested centrist slop.

Dems need to, in the model of FDR, welcome to the hatred of Republicans, as long as they are fighting for good policies.



Independents exist not because of a lack of centrism and compromise, but BECAUSE of it.

 

[Perotista]

It's not really polarization or partisanship on behalf of Democrats, except against Trump himself. It's acquiescence. They see Trump as an aberration of Republicans, not the fulfillment their decades long agenda. Democrats have always been eager to roll over for Republicans and hope that they will 'break the fever' and return to 'normalcy'. They've been saying it since 2008. Keep in mind that normalcy is where they 'meet in the middle' and agree to rip of the American people together, rather than accrue power on one side (MAGA).

Obama and Biden were close to 'reforming' (cutting) entitlements (e.g. Social Security) in 2012, but America was saved because Republicans were not willing to compromise and wanted to go even further. Kind of like with the ACA, where Dems adopted Republican ideas, only for Republicans to call those ideas socialist once Dems implemented them.

The lesson should be to not move right to get along. Because if Dems move right, so will Republicans. Dems need to develop an ideology that they actually believe in and fight for those principles. And fire all political consultants, who have utterly ruined the Democratic party with their poll-tested centrist slop.

Dems need to, in the model of FDR, welcome to the hatred of Republicans, as long as they are fighting for good policies.



Independents exist not because of a lack of centrism and compromise, but BECAUSE of it.

The democrats need to do something, right, wrong or indifferent. Here - Democrats fall behind GOP in popularity: Poll

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5320664-democrats-republicans-popularity-poll/

And here for political party strength - GOP Holds Edge in Party Affiliation for Third Straight Year

https://news.gallup.com/poll/655157/gop-holds-edge-party-affiliation-third-straight-year.aspx

I’ve been a swing voter all my life, I prefer swing voter to the classification of independent. That’s because I don’t trust either major party. I view both major parties governing only for their base, not all of America. Trump did that during his first term, Biden made the same mistake during his term as president, Trump is making that mistake once again in his second term. Like most swing voters or independents if you will, I find myself supporting the republicans on some issues, opposing them on others with the same for democrats, supporting them on some, opposing them on others. It all depends on the issue. I don’t fall into line with either major party, I don’t pass all of either major party’s litmus tests. I’m pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment at the same time. I want the southern border secured, no more illegal immigrants entering this country and want us to seriously address climate change, again at the same time. As you can see, neither major party can make me happy. Neither major party allows me to call one or the other home. I’m not unique in this when it comes to swing voters. Swing voters aren’t that happy medium or centrist in-between the two major parties. Moving right isn’t going to help the democrats either among us swing voters.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Why bother with an investigation? Just pick a few dozen things and prosecute. When you get right down to it, this kind of thing is never about a conviction but more about the political optics of slandering your opponent and costing them huge amounts of money.

That is true when the repukes do it.

On the other hand, the Democrats are after justice and accountability.