Pope workers have "Human Right to refuse same-sex marriage"

[ludin]

Pope: Workers Have '''Human Right''' to Refuse Same-Sex Marriage Licenses - NBC News

see how the liberal left responds now.

they have been quoting the pope left and right on a variety of issues that agree with approving.
now I wonder how they will respond over this one.

Pope has said that it is a Human right to refuse to issue same sex marriage.

Pope Francis appeared to weigh in on the side of anti-gay-marriage clerk Kim Davis, saying government workers have a "human right" to refuse to carry out a duty if they have a "conscientious objection.

let the name calling begin as I figure it will.

 

[William Rea]

The machine required to detect how little of a **** I give about what the Pope says about, well anything, has not been invented yet. When it is, I'll be sure to advise you.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Pope: Workers Have '''Human Right''' to Refuse Same-Sex Marriage Licenses - NBC News

see how the liberal left responds now.

they have been quoting the pope left and right on a variety of issues that agree with approving.
now I wonder how they will respond over this one.

Pope has said that it is a Human right to refuse to issue same sex marriage.

Pope Francis appeared to weigh in on the side of anti-gay-marriage clerk Kim Davis, saying government workers have a "human right" to refuse to carry out a duty if they have a "conscientious objection.

let the name calling begin as I figure it will.

I agree that people have a human right to do this, but I take it a little differently. I also think that in voluntarily working for a company, government, or whatever job, you are subject to your employee-employer relationship as a part of the employer-employee agreement. One also has a human right to accept or decline that agreement and to decide on what terms one will do so. One does not trump the other. Both are in effect as one can decide that their preference to not do something they consider immoral outweighs their preference for a particular job.

People do this all the time and in all sorts of jobs.

 

[ludin]

I agree that people have a human right to do this, but I take it a little differently. I also think that in voluntarily working for a company, government, or whatever job, you are subject to your employee-employer relationship as a part of the employer-employee agreement. One also has a human right to accept or decline that agreement and to decide on what terms one will do so. One does not trump the other. Both are in effect as one can decide that their preference to not do something they consider immoral outweighs their preference for a particular job.

People do this all the time and in all sorts of jobs.

i am going by what the pope said. not what you wish he would have said or anything else.
he said even in the case of KY that it is her natural human right to abstain.


i doubt many liberals will be lining up to support the pope now.

 

[Slartibartfast]

i am going by what the pope said. not what you wish he would have said or anything else.
he said even in the case of KY that it is her natural human right to abstain.


i doubt many liberals will be lining up to support the pope now.

You are free to go with what the pope said, no skin off my nose. I think he is a great man, but wrong in this instance.

 

[Olive]

The joke doesn't work both ways. He's a religious figurehead. He's expected to piss off anyone with a progressive mindset due to the weird view the Vatican has on the world. This is old news.

It's funny when one of the most influential and probably one of the most knowledgeable figures on Christianity manages to piss off a great group of Christians because he makes references to topic many of them don't like.

I am not a Christian so whatever he says is not something I have to reconsider.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

She has the human right to quit her job if it offends her conscience. She doesn't have the right to keep her job while refusing to do it.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

She has the human right to quit her job if it offends her conscience. She doesn't have the right to keep her job while refusing to do it.

REKT

*high five*

 

[QuadpolarNutjob]

the pope has the right to liquidate the vaticans assets in order to help the needy. why has he not done so? roughly 3 billion live in poverty. roughly 15 billion in vatican assets. that's a happymeal for everyone!

 

[Visbek]

Pope: Workers Have '''Human Right''' to Refuse Same-Sex Marriage Licenses - NBC News

see how the liberal left responds now.

<< shakes head >>

Pope Francis is not an American politician. He is not beholden to American partisan divisions. He is not hiding any of his political beliefs, or should we say, political implications of his religious beliefs.

No one is required to agree 100% with someone, when they only agree with him 75% of the time.

As such: There's no problem with religious freedom protections as long as those protections do not deny rights to citizens, including the right of equal access to public accommodations. If someone who works at a County Clerk's office does not want to issue a marriage certificate, we should deal with that, in a way that the law is followed and legal marriages are not blocked.

We should also remember that Kim Davis is not an employee. She's an elected official. She doesn't have a boss, she can't be fired by anyone, she has explicitly sworn an oath to fulfill the law. If she is unable to perform her legally stipulated duties, and she can't convince the state legislature to do something about it, ultimately that is her problem.

 

[ludin]

<< shakes head >>

Pope Francis is not an American politician. He is not beholden to American partisan divisions. He is not hiding any of his political beliefs, or should we say, political implications of his religious beliefs.

No one is required to agree 100% with someone, when they only agree with him 75% of the time.

He doesn't have to be, but seeing how everyone is quoting him left and right on what he said I thought it would be interesting to propose what he said.
conscientious objection is a human right

As such: There's no problem with religious freedom protections as long as those protections do not deny rights to citizens, including the right of equal access to public accommodations. If someone who works at a County Clerk's office does not want to issue a marriage certificate, we should deal with that, in a way that the law is followed and legal marriages are not blocked.

that isnt' what he said.

We should also remember that Kim Davis is not an employee. She's an elected official. She doesn't have a boss, she can't be fired by anyone, she has explicitly sworn an oath to fulfill the law. If she is unable to perform her legally stipulated duties, and she can't convince the state legislature to do something about it, ultimately that is her problem.

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she still doesn't give up her religious protections just because she is an elected official.

 

[ludin]

You are free to go with what the pope said, no skin off my nose. I think he is a great man, but wrong in this instance.

IE as long as he agree's with me he is right until then he is wrong.
not a very strong argument to make.

 

[ludin]

She has the human right to quit her job if it offends her conscience. She doesn't have the right to keep her job while refusing to do it.

we are going by what the pope said. that conscientious objection is a human right and should be protected.

 

[ludin]

The joke doesn't work both ways. He's a religious figurehead. He's expected to piss off anyone with a progressive mindset due to the weird view the Vatican has on the world. This is old news.

then why are progressives quoting him left and right around here?

It's funny when one of the most influential and probably one of the most knowledgeable figures on Christianity manages to piss off a great group of Christians because he makes references to topic many of them don't like.

I am not a Christian so whatever he says is not something I have to reconsider.

I don't think he is ticking off any Christians.

 

[RAMOSS]

she still doesn't give up her religious protections just because she is an elected official.

OF course, not. She has every right not to marry someone of the same sex. However, she has do to her job.

 

[Gathomas88]

She has the human right to quit her job if it offends her conscience. She doesn't have the right to keep her job while refusing to do it.

Which is basically my view as well. She has a right to refuse to do something she views as being immoral. She does not, however, have a right to impede the proper functioning of government.

If she feels that she can not uphold the law in her current position, she should step down.

 

[Olive]

then why are progressives quoting him left and right around here?



I don't think he is ticking off any Christians.

Because it is funny for a conservative religious figurehead to come out in favor of social welfare and science (well, partly). It doesn't mean progressives need him for their politics. It's like me pointing out weird parts of the bible. The bible may not have any relevance for me, but it is interesting to point out the weird parts to those who selectively follow it.

 

[Slartibartfast]

IE as long as he agree's with me he is right until then he is wrong.
not a very strong argument to make.

There was no argument to be made in the first place. I am not dealing with whether the guy is objectively right or wrong right now but in matters of opinion.

 

[WillyPete]

Last I heard she's still refusing to issue them directly, and she's welcome to, as much as I may disagree with her view.

What's important is a that they've found an accommodation where that is no longer interfering with the business of that county.

 

[WCH]

She has the human right to quit her job if it offends her conscience. She doesn't have the right to keep her job while refusing to do it.

You would throw her into the street because she doesn't want to serve homosexuals? [already threw her in jail]

 

[WCH]

Pope secretly met Kentucky clerk over gay marriage licenses;

Pope secretly met Kentucky clerk over gay marriage licenses - Yahoo News

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

You would throw her into the street because she doesn't want to serve homosexuals? [already threw her in jail]

If she doesn't want to do her job, she needs to find a new job. It's her decision.

 

[Joey]

Pope: Workers Have '''Human Right''' to Refuse Same-Sex Marriage Licenses - NBC News

see how the liberal left responds now.

they have been quoting the pope left and right on a variety of issues that agree with approving.
now I wonder how they will respond over this one.

Pope has said that it is a Human right to refuse to issue same sex marriage.

Pope Francis appeared to weigh in on the side of anti-gay-marriage clerk Kim Davis, saying government workers have a "human right" to refuse to carry out a duty if they have a "conscientious objection.

let the name calling begin as I figure it will.

Hi Ludin,

This would create an unworkable situation wouldn't it? Next thing you know is that you have Muslims refusing to marry Christians and vice-versa. Politics and religion should be separated. When you accept a job you have to do what is written in your job description. If you don't like that, well then you should look for an other job.


Joey

 

[ludin]

Hi Ludin,

This would create an unworkable situation wouldn't it? Next thing you know is that you have Muslims refusing to marry Christians and vice-versa. Politics and religion should be separated. When you accept a job you have to do what is written in your job description. If you don't like that, well then you should look for an other job.


Joey

then you would be sued for religions discrimination.

 

[David_N]

The pope is very socially conservative, doesn't mean I can't appreciate his more progressive economic views. :shrug: