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Pope Leo XIV - champion of Orthodoxy?

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His Holiness recently made an address which seems to imply an intent to roll back some of the changes of Vatican II. At the very least, a restoration of the Extraordinary/Latin Mass which has all but disappeared in the 60 years since the Second Vatican Council. I’m hopeful that we will see such a revival.

Some pertinent extracts from his address:

“Over a century ago, Leo XIII pointed out that “preserving the Eastern rites is more important than is generally realized”. He went so far as to decree that “any Latin-Rite missionary, whether a member of the secular or regular clergy, who by advice or support draws any Eastern-Rite Catholic to the Latin Rite” ought to be “dismissed and removed from his office” (ibid). We willingly reiterate this appeal to preserve and promote the Christian East, especially in the diaspora. In addition to establishing Eastern circumscriptions wherever possible and opportune, there is a need to promote greater awareness among Latin Christians. In this regard, I ask the Dicastery for the Eastern Churches – which I thank for its work – to help me to define principles, norms, and guidelines whereby Latin Bishops can concretely support Eastern Catholics in the diaspora in their efforts to preserve their living traditions and thus, by their distinctive witness, to enrich the communities in which they live.”


“It is vital, then, that you preserve your traditions without attenuating them, for the sake perhaps of practicality or convenience, lest they be corrupted by the mentality of consumerism and utilitarianism.”

 
I'm not in the least interested in Catholic/Vatican dogma.

All churches are scams.
 
There's always the hope one day the Church will be fully one again. The issue I see is Vatican II is large departure for Orthodox Christianity.
 
I get the feeling that Pope Leo wants to make reconciliation with the East and that's been a goal of Rome post Vatican II. It's complicated but I hope the Church will reunite. It will take humility from the Pope though to allow the Patriarchs of the Eastern Church to operate independently. The Rome pontiff can still be first among equals but not with jurisdictional authority over the entire Church.
 
I'm not in the least interested in Catholic/Vatican dogma.

All churches are scams.
ALL churches are scams? How about ALL governments are scams? How about ALL education is a scam? How about ALL scientific research is a scam? What about ALL healthcare being a scam?
 
There's always the hope one day the Church will be fully one again. The issue I see is Vatican II is large departure for Orthodox Christianity.
The issue I see is that CHRIST is the head of HIS CHURCH. The Pope maybe a leader of Roman Catholicism but not CHRISTIANITY as a whole. Papacy rests it's laurels on Peter, but honestly, I don't believe Peter was ever the head of the CHURCH ---- he was a missionary of sorts as were Paul, James, John and the rest. If anything, Paul/Saul did much more to clarify the doctrines of CHURCH. If JESUS was naming Peter the "vicar" over HIS CHURCH, I feel that GOD would have had that spelled out in HIS holy scripture, and that it would be a "tradition." JESUS hated man-made religious traditions which placed burdens on the people. And Peter was at one point viewed by JESUS as being used by Satan (Get the behind me Satan).
 
I get the feeling that Pope Leo wants to make reconciliation with the East and that's been a goal of Rome post Vatican II. It's complicated but I hope the Church will reunite. It will take humility from the Pope though to allow the Patriarchs of the Eastern Church to operate independently. The Rome pontiff can still be first among equals but not with jurisdictional authority over the entire Church.

Any examples of reconciliation are a good sign. In this case with the Church that split. Personally I do not think that churches and religion can lead any populace to reconciliation or peace. Each denomination purposely chooses something that separates themselves from other churches. I would prefer something like what Rumpel has introduced…a holiday for a day of peace….and to be careful of how they seek support, if any, from churches….
 
The issue I see is that CHRIST is the head of HIS CHURCH. The Pope maybe a leader of Roman Catholicism but not CHRISTIANITY as a whole. Papacy rests it's laurels on Peter, but honestly, I don't believe Peter was ever the head of the CHURCH ---- he was a missionary of sorts as were Paul, James, John and the rest. If anything, Paul/Saul did much more to clarify the doctrines of CHURCH. If JESUS was naming Peter the "vicar" over HIS CHURCH, I feel that GOD would have had that spelled out in HIS holy scripture, and that it would be a "tradition." JESUS hated man-made religious traditions which placed burdens on the people. And Peter was at one point viewed by JESUS as being used by Satan (Get the behind me Satan).
Orthodox have a more congregational style of Church governance. There is a hierarchial authority but this is meant to maintain doctrinal unity. Because you can't have Churches in different locations around the world teaching their own things. We believe Christ is head of the Church and not a single man.

I don't think Jesus opposed traditions. He just had a disdain for the Pharisees for their rigorous and legalistic interpretation of the law. Rather than the circumcision of the heart. Paul expands on this in many of his writings. It's the spirit of the law vs the letter of the law.
 
Orthodox have a more congregational style of Church governance. There is a hierarchial authority but this is meant to maintain doctrinal unity. Because you can't have Churches in different locations around the world teaching their own things. We believe Christ is head of the Church and not a single man.

I don't think Jesus opposed traditions. He just had a disdain for the Pharisees for their rigorous and legalistic interpretation of the law. Rather than the circumcision of the heart. Paul expands on this in many of his writings. It's the spirit of the law vs the letter of the law.
Absolutely, it's not about celebrating Christmas, lighting candles, and Christmas trees, or performing a nativity ------ as some would attempt to promote. What GOD hated was the legalists adding to the law and suggesting that righteousness is tied to how well one performs various duties as a means to try and demonstrate perfection.... The fact that JESUS celebrated in the temple the Feast of Dedication --- better known as Hanukkah today. This particular feast was not a one prescribed by GOD. It was not recorded by Moses as one that must be performed yearly. Hanukkah is a feast of lights in celebration of the re-dedication of the temple at Jerusalem and the supposed miracle of the lamp oil burning for a prescribed number of days while more "special oil" was made. Yes, this was a human celebration of light and not a prescribed one. Exactly as Christmas is a human celebration of JESUS and not a prescribed one. AND IN FACT JESUS CELEBRATED this human celebration and even participated in it -- with the multiplying of the loaves and fishes to feed the multitude. Please see: https://firmisrael.org/learn/hanukkah-why-jesus-celebrated-feast-of-dedication/
What JESUS expresses is about what one wants to do in celebration of GOD and not about what one is told he must do or must not do or when to do it ---- in that regard. In Sunday school at the church I attend we sing a birthday song to celebrate any child's birthday. The words go: A Happy Birthday to YOU! A Happy Birthday to YOU! Every day of the year may YOU find JESUS near! A Happy Birthday to YOU! A Happy Birthday to YOU! May this be your most blessed year! And I do believe GOD smiles as we sing it to that child.
 
It's not about celebrating Christmas, lighting candles, and Christmas trees, or performing a nativity OR NOT! ------ as some would attempt to promote. What GOD hated were the legalists adding to the law and suggesting that righteousness is tied to how well one performs various duties as a means to try and demonstrate perfection.... The fact that JESUS celebrated in the temple the Feast of Dedication (better known as Hanukkah today) and not just those prescribed by GOD, says that JESUS was not about rules and the regulation of joy and love... Though not recorded by Moses, as another holy day that must be performed yearly, Hanukkah is a feast of lights in celebration of the re-dedication of the temple at Jerusalem and the supposed miracle of the lamp oil burning for a prescribed number of days while more "special oil" was made. Yes, this was/is a human celebration of light and not a prescribed one. Exactly as Christmas is a human celebration of JESUS and not a prescribed one. AND IN FACT JESUS CELEBRATED human celebrations and even participated in it -- with the multiplying of the loaves and fishes to feed the multitude. Please see: https://firmisrael.org/learn/hanukkah-why-jesus-celebrated-feast-of-dedication/
What JESUS expresses is the freedom about what one wants to do in celebration of GOD, and not about what one is told he must do, must not do, how or when to do it... So, enjoy Thanksgiving, Christmas, Birthdays, and even Hanukkah to the LORD. GOD appreciates it when we regard HIM ---- even when HE didn't prescribe it! In Sunday school at the church I attend we sing a birthday song to celebrate any child's birthday. The words go: A Happy Birthday to YOU! A Happy Birthday to YOU! Every day of the year may YOU find JESUS near! A Happy Birthday to YOU! A Happy Birthday to YOU! May this be your most blessed year! And I do believe GOD smiles as we sing it to that child.


I actually found the Christian birthday song found on YouTube:
 
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