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My wife is Catholic.
Decades ago, before getting married, we had to attend marriage classes conducted by the local priest.
I asked him once, "what led him to become a priest?"
Me, coming from an old school southern baptist background, having read and studied the bible "cover-to-cover," (as we say down south,) I was taken back by the priests reply.
The priest, rather than responding, "I was called by the Lord to become a priest. I had no choice in the matter. You must answer when called," like some baptist preacher might say, (and the 60 plus scriptures that address the issue of being "called to preach,") the priest rsponded by saying this. (para-phrased but almost verbatum) "I became a priest because the idea of having to marry a woman scared the hell out of me. Back in my day the honorable way to avoid that was to become a priest." No mention, whatsoever, of "the call" in a biblical sense. He only became a priest in order to avoid having to marry a woman.
Okay. Read in to that as you will. It's pretty obvious to me.
Secondly, why would someone so opposed to marrying a woman, be put in a position to council, encourage, suport and advise me in regards to preparing for "being married to a woman" or anything even having to do with marriage at all?
Thirdly, I have no objections to anyone, straight or gay, following the priesthood should they be so led. But I would encourage them to actually crack open the bible and see what it says about the matter first.
The problem is not "gay priests." The problem is pedophile priests. We should not confuse the two.
Any "gay" indescretions a priest may act upon is between him, his church (job) and God. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
But, the pope is right, technically, discouraging gay men becoming priests. That is to say, he is "right" if his position is mandated by the holy writings of the church he is the figurehead for. A man in his station of life, can take no other position lest he defy the very holy writings he is suppose embody and represent. His hands are tied.
But, the bible also says, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." If a gay guy becomes a priest, technically, he might be considered a "sinner" if we were to get all biblical and stuff. But, so is jay walking.
No big deal IMO.
Peace be with you all. Be yourself. I'm okay with that.
One has to wonder if becoming a nun doesn't have a certain appeal to closet lesbians, subconsciously.
Yep. The idea is you give up sexual desire for service to god; your sexual orientation shouldn't matter.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/4...ys-gay-people-should-not-join-catholic-clergy
Pope Francis wrote in his new book that gay people should not join the Catholic clergy, saying "there’s no room for that kind of affection" in priestly life.
“The issue of homosexuality is a very serious issue that must be adequately discerned from the beginning with the candidates,” Francis wrote regarding potential priests, The Guardian reports.
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I've lived through enough Catholicism that even as a bisexual signing up to enter the clergy would be the choice just below blowing my brains out.
Prohibition never conforms to reality. Look what alcohol prohibition accomplished: nearly every one became a scofflaw.
Why are you lying.... He said "Gay people shouldn't be priests IF THEY CANNOT REMAIN CELIBATE"
As in he doesn't want bunch of gay priests forming sex clubs.
One has to wonder if becoming a nun doesn't have a certain appeal to closet lesbians, subconsciously.
Because that would be so much worse than a bunch of straight priests forming sex clubs? The problem is not with sexual orientation. It's with predatory sexual behavior, whether the actor is gay or straight. To call out those of one orientation and not the other is scapegoating.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/4...ys-gay-people-should-not-join-catholic-clergy
Pope Francis wrote in his new book that gay people should not join the Catholic clergy, saying "there’s no room for that kind of affection" in priestly life.
“The issue of homosexuality is a very serious issue that must be adequately discerned from the beginning with the candidates,” Francis wrote regarding potential priests, The Guardian reports.
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I've lived through enough Catholicism that even as a bisexual signing up to enter the clergy would be the choice just below blowing my brains out.
On one hand, the church finds it unnatural to be a homosexual for one's entire life.
On the other, the church finds it completely natural to ask human beings to remain without sex their entire lives.
These people do not understand the world better than any of their followers.
On one hand, the church finds it unnatural to be a homosexual for one's entire life.
On the other, the church finds it completely natural to ask human beings to remain without sex their entire lives.
These people do not understand the world better than any of their followers.
As if a heterosexual priest couldn't find the opportunity to get busy with a member of the opposite sex.
why is it though-that we have heard tons of cases of Catholic (ie allegedly celibate) priests who have molested boys-some pre pubescent (ie pedophiliac behavior) or older boys (homosexual molestation) while the cases of say Episcopal priests, Baptist preachers, Rabbis, etc engaging in either homosexual predation or heterosexual rape are few and far between. I never realized-despite the publicity-how many cases there were of priest on boy cases until I was part of a trial team prosecuting a two decade old molestation case
Because that would be so much worse than a bunch of straight priests forming sex clubs? The problem is not with sexual orientation. It's with predatory sexual behavior, whether the actor is gay or straight. To call out those of one orientation and not the other is scapegoating.
He said that GAY PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE PRIESTS IF THEY CANT REMAIN CELIBATE. Go ahead and misconstrue it anyway you want just like the OP.
Criteria for the Discernment of Vocation for Persons with Homosexual TendenciesHe said that GAY PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE PRIESTS IF THEY CANT REMAIN CELIBATE. Go ahead and misconstrue it anyway you want just like the OP.
The Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question ["persons with homosexual tendencies"], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practice homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called "gay culture." Such persons find themselves in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women. One must in no way overlook the negative consequences that can derive from the ordination of deep-seated homosexual tendencies."
Criteria for the Discernment of Vocation for Persons with Homosexual Tendencies
2 of 3 existing disqualifiers for priesthood have absolutely nothing with celibacy.
You're wrong. Don't make it long and drawn out, just accept it and move long.
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Lmao, I am quoting the Vatican's edict on what disqualifies a person from becoming a priest!Well look at the popes words. He said, "If gays cannot be celibate they should not be in the priesthood"
On one hand, the church finds it unnatural to be a homosexual for one's entire life.
On the other, the church finds it completely natural to ask human beings to remain without sex their entire lives.
These people do not understand the world better than any of their followers.
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