The Holy Father knows poverty and violence. He knows the plague of corrupt politics and oppressive governments. He has seen the cruelty of human trafficking and other forms of exploitation. He has seen elites who rig the political system in their favor and keep the poor in poverty. When we Americans think about economics, we think in terms of efficiency and production. When Francis thinks about economics, he thinks in terms of human suffering. We’re blessed to live in a rich, free, stable country. We can’t always see what Francis sees.
Pope Francis and Economic Justice | Daily News | NCRegister.com
A phenomenal piece by Archbishop Chaput which helps clear up the Pope's positions which have been clouded either intentionally or unintentionally by the Press.
I am always distrustful of calls for good and fairness, when one cannot say how. I, personally do not believe that we are yet far enough developed to redistribute meaningfully. We may be at some time in the not all to distant future. Right now I believe it would cause havoc and mass misery.
Pope Francis and Economic Justice | Daily News | NCRegister.com
A phenomenal piece by Archbishop Chaput which helps clear up the Pope's positions which have been clouded either intentionally or unintentionally by the Press.
not this thread again.
i get so sick of hearing about this topic. it is clearly not biblical. there is no reference to social justic in the bible nor did christ preach on any type of social justice.
Christ charged the charged the church with helping and taking care of the poor. He did not say take what someone else has because you think they make to much and give it to someone else.
in the early church they gave of themselves of their own free will. they did not force other people to give up what they had in order to give it to someone else.
i put this right up there with the prosperity gospels people that think if you give god 10k dollars it will return it 10x.
Christ preached on the love of money and making it a god. he did not however preach against having money or being wealthy but realizing where that came from.
that is why you see a lot of rich people that have charities they contribute to or run themselves.
yes, where would this world be if goodness and fairness prevailedI am always distrustful of calls for good and fairness, when one cannot say how. I, personally do not believe that we are yet far enough developed to redistribute meaningfully. We may be at some time in the not all to distant future. Right now I believe it would cause havoc and mass misery.
Not this response again.
I get so sick of people so sick of topics but feel the need to respond. It's clearly not logical. there is no reason to respond to a post if you're sick of seeing it.
No one has said that you take from one and give to another. This is a stawman.
Yes, which is what is being promoted here. You can put it right up with the Gospel of chicken wings on a hot sunday night, don't really matter.
More straw...
Mark 12:
41And He sat down opposite the treasury, and began observing how the people were putting money into the treasury; and many rich people were putting in large sums. 42A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which amount to a cent. 43Calling His disciples to Him, He said to them, “Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the contributors to the treasury; 44for they all put in out of their surplus, but she, out of her poverty, put in all she owned, all she had to live on.”
No the only straw here is your argument of wealth redistribution and the bible. There is no such thing and Christ never preached wealth redistribution.
Yes i will correct any unbiblical theology out there.
yes wealth redistribution involves taking from one person that you deem has to much and giving it to someone that you deem doesn't have enough.
Please don't try and quote scripture if you don't know what it means or understand what it means. this verse has nothing to do with wealth distribution or redistribution.
He was rebuking a man that seemed to be giving a lot but was only giving a small portion of what he had. IE he was putting on a show much like the people that would pray outloud in the street to seem rightous or holy.
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Distrustful as you've presented it is a synonym for fear. ....
yes, where would this world be if goodness and fairness prevailed
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not this thread again.
i get so sick of hearing about this topic. it is clearly not biblical. there is no reference to social justic in the bible nor did christ preach on any type of social justice.
Christ charged the charged the church with helping and taking care of the poor. He did not say take what someone else has because you think they make to much and give it to someone else.
in the early church they gave of themselves of their own free will. they did not force other people to give up what they had in order to give it to someone else.
i put this right up there with the prosperity gospels people that think if you give god 10k dollars it will return it 10x.
Christ preached on the love of money and making it a god. he did not however preach against having money or being wealthy but realizing where that came from.
that is why you see a lot of rich people that have charities they contribute to or run themselves.
You've doubled down on the straw!!!
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Show that argument you've now twice claim I've made!
Please don't make such an attempt. You've not the requisite knowledge.
Heed you're own advice. I never made that claim.
Now, reread what you wrote and read the passage and maybe it will come to you in a vision.
Good God...
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The Hebrew Word for Justice Misphat, essencially means (most of the time) what we mean to day when we say "social justice"
it's not about taking from one and giving to another, it's about setting up the framework inwhich People produce and that Product is Distributed in a way that benefits everyone and doesn't exclude the poor.
Jesus wasn't impressed by philanthropy at all, InFact he saw right through it. For example the story about the old lady giving to the temple as opposed to the Rich men. Philanthropy isn't the solution, a just system is.
I do not and cannot trust either the Catholics or Pope Francis...but that's a religious thing, and Francis is right about social justice, for that is indeed what Christ preached.
you started the thread on the pope and economic justice so again continue with your denial argument it won't get you very far. have a nice day.
you can't even address your own topic.
I do not know that "fear" is the right word, but there have been a number of examples of attempted mass redistribution. I know of none that could be considered an unqualified success.
I started a thread about clearing up the Pope's position on economic justice, so again continue with the straw man, that's now thrice you've done so. I will have a phenomenal day and I hope you do too. I most certainly can and have, I just don't bite on BS...
yep economic justice is just another name for wealth redistribution. the terms go hand in hand and there is nothing in the bible that suggests this ever occured.
yep economic justice is just another name for wealth redistribution. the terms go hand in hand and there is nothing in the bible that suggests this ever occured.
Just to point out, economics is just another name for wealth distribution. It all depends on which way the wealth is flowing.
actually wealth redistribution or social justice has an actual definition.
it usually involves taking forcefully from one and giving it to another.
yep economic justice is just another name for wealth redistribution. the terms go hand in hand and there is nothing in the bible that suggests this ever occured.
OK, you're making it very hard for me to be polite. No, economic justice isn't another name for wealth redistribution. They are paired together as pejoratives by those who seek to continue practices which are detrimental to society. Where did I tell anyone to seek the bible for reference? Where in my OP did I do anything other than present an article to clear up the Pope's position on these matters? You are adding elements which haven't been presented thereby changing my argument i.e. creating a straw man.
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