Poor Putin and Lavrov... they have to deal with idiots

[DDD]

You know nothing about Russian media, all your knowledges are superficial and primitive, taken mostly from Wikipedia. Ridiculously. Try to learn more about it before making groundless conclusions.

If one is to base their statement on links then by default the statement is not groundless. Hence, you are not free to speak against your government or else you would be killed just like the rest of those journalists.

 

[MrFirst]

If one is to base their statement on links then by default the statement is not groundless. Hence, you are not free to speak against your government or else you would be killed just like the rest of those journalists.

This is one of the most psychopatic nonsense I've ever read.

 

[DDD]

This is one of the most psychopatic nonsense I've ever read.

Well, better get used to it. The quality of the statement is just as good as references supporting it. You had tons of references that show that Russia kills those that attempt to speak against it.

Denial is to be expected at first.

 

[MrFirst]

Well, better get used to it. The quality of the statement is just as good as references supporting it. You had tons of references that show that Russia kills those that attempt to speak against it.

Denial is to be expected at first.

No, I don't have "tons of references that show that Russia kills those that attempt to speak against it". All what you have - Politkovskaya and Estemirova, Estemirova and Politkovskaya.

You don't know Russian, you don't read Russian press, you know nothing about Russian media, and actually you would never care to know - wikipedia and re-prints from US and British sources is enough for you - but you are making the statesments of global size and the same time of global sillyness about something that you have no idea about. When you say something like "to speak against your government" you should know the Russian government is headed by D.Medvedev and it's under strong critiсizm from all parliament parties, except for United Russia. Many economy and political analysts blame the government for the lack of activity to improve Russian economy. Leaders of non-parliament opposition such as B.Nadezhdin, V.Ryzhkov, L.Gozman and others are often guests in Russian state TV channels, Russia-1, for example. They all have their social network accounts, they all have their web-sites, they have articles in newspapers and magazines. You can easily find their speaches on you-tube, you can follow their twitter and so on. Other opposition representatives like M.Kasyanov, B.Nemtsov, I.Khakamada, G.Gudkov and many others - they all are alive, not killed. They issue articles, they take part at TV and radio shows and so on. Of course they always complaint the authorities restrain them and makeproblems for them. Also all these "human right activists" that for last decades got used to live at US State Dep expense regularly attend meetings in Kremlin. Communist party was always an opposition. I understand that westerners due to their complete ignorance about Russia think Russia is still communist country, moreover they believe that any opposition maybe only pro-western, but Communist party is an opposition for the last 25 years. Communists also have their media outlets and use for very violent critcsism towards government and Putin.

Don't try to judge about that what you know nothing about.

If you want to read some critics on Russia's government economical policy, read that: Экономиче�кое по�ле�ловие к Валдаю-2014 - Экономика - МК

I came across that in my FB today. First you have to learn Russia, of course.

If you want to read critical article about Putin's political course, read this: Âàëäàéñêèé ôîðóì ñòàë òðèáóíîé äëÿ îáúÿâëåíèÿ íîâîé Õîëîäíîé âîéíû. Ðå÷ü èäåò î ñîõðàíåíèè ðåæèìà - Ïîëèòèêà - Íîâàÿ Ãàçåòà

After you've read these articles - share your opinion about it.

 

[DDD]

No, I don't have "tons of references that show that Russia kills those that attempt to speak against it". All what you have - Politkovskaya and Estemirova, Estemirova and Politkovskaya.

The provided link mentions far more journalists murdered from Russia than just Estemirova and Politkovskaya. Though, again, what is wrong with emphasizing wasted lives while those two journals fought for freedom of speech? That is freedom, and not confirming speeches such as what we have here.

You don't know Russian, you don't read Russian press, you know nothing about Russian media, and actually you would never care to know - wikipedia and re-prints from US and British sources is enough for you - but you are making the statesments of global size and the same time of global sillyness about something that you have no idea about.

Likewise, I am presenting data that does not match with the ones that You guys may have been used to.

When you say something like "to speak against your government" you should know the Russian government is headed by D.Medvedev and it's under strong critiсizm from all parliament parties, except for United Russia. Many economy and political analysts blame the government for the lack of activity to improve Russian economy. Leaders of non-parliament opposition such as B.Nadezhdin, V.Ryzhkov, L.Gozman and others are often guests in Russian state TV channels, Russia-1, for example. They all have their social network accounts, they all have their web-sites, they have articles in newspapers and magazines. You can easily find their speaches on you-tube, you can follow their twitter and so on. Other opposition representatives like M.Kasyanov, B.Nemtsov, I.Khakamada, G.Gudkov and many others - they all are alive, not killed. They issue articles, they take part at TV and radio shows and so on. Of course they always complaint the authorities restrain them and makeproblems for them.

Well I cannot blame them for not investigating further. They could be killed just like them hundreds of journalists mentioned in that link. Freedom of speech is oppressed in Russia.

Also all these "human right activists" that for last decades got used to live at US State Dep expense regularly attend meetings in Kremlin. Communist party was always an opposition. I understand that westerners due to their complete ignorance about Russia think Russia is still communist country, moreover they believe that any opposition maybe only pro-western, but Communist party is an opposition for the last 25 years. Communists also have their media outlets and use for very violent critcsism towards government and Putin.

So only a party can criticize the government then? Why not the free press and fee media also? Why kill so many freely investigating journalists?

Don't try to judge about that what you know nothing about.

If you want to read some critics on Russia's government economical policy, read that: Ð*кономичеÑ�кое поÑ�леÑ�ловие к Валдаю-2014 - Ð*кономика - МК

I came across that in my FB today. First you have to learn Russia, of course.

If you want to read critical article about Putin's political course, read this: Âàëäàéñêèé ôîðóì ñòàë òðèáóíîé äëÿ îáúÿâëåíèÿ íîâîé Õîëîäíîé âîéíû. Ðå÷ü èäåò î ñîõðàíåíèè ðåæèìà - Ïîëèòèêà - Íîâàÿ Ãàçåòà

After you've read these articles - share your opinion about it.

How does these out of reach links (due to language barriers) help your position that Russia has a free speech? How do they help reconcile the deaths of hundreds of murdered journalists from Russia's government?

 

[MrFirst]

How does these out of reach links (due to language barriers) help your position that Russia has a free speech? How do they help reconcile the deaths of hundreds of murdered journalists from Russia's government?

How you can state anything about freedom of speech in Russia if these links and any others are out of your rich? You have no idea what you're talking about. All your judgements are empty and endless chewingum - Politkpvskaya and estemirova, Estemirova and Politkovskaya, wikipedia...

 

[Rogue Valley]

Politkpvskaya and estemirova, Estemirova and Politkovskaya

I realize you would rather they just go away into the sinkhole of obscurity, but that isn't about to happen.

 

[DDD]

How you can state anything about freedom of speech in Russia if these links and any others are out of your rich?

Today one does not need to know all the world's languages in order to understand what is going on at various countries. Interpreters and translators transform the foreign languages into more readable ones. Then the majority of the world has access to the information.

That is how I know what is going on in Russia. I read articles about Russia in English. You were issued one about hundreds of journalists killed. The journalists were killed while trying to do their job and investigate the ills of Russia's government.

You have no idea what you're talking about. All your judgements are empty and endless chewingum - Politkpvskaya and estemirova, Estemirova and Politkovskaya, wikipedia...

This has nothing to do with me. I have links that your government killed hundreds of journalists (not just them two, though they matter also!). Claiming that Russia has free speech on such grounds of repeated pattern of murdering journalists is illogical.

 

[MrFirst]

Today the one who doesn't know Chinese doesn't know what is going on in China. One who doesn't know Russian doesn't know what is going on in Russia. This one may think he does know, but indeed he knows only that what media (mostly western media) translated and interpreted for him. This one may believe he's educated and broad-minded but this is just due to his ignorance and self-confidence.

As the great American writer said: “If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.” Think about it.

 

[DDD]

Today the one who doesn't know Chinese doesn't know what is going on in China. One who doesn't know Russian doesn't know what is going on in Russia. This one may think he does know, but indeed he knows only that what media (mostly western media) translated and interpreted for him. This one may believe he's educated and broad-minded but this is just due to his ignorance and self-confidence.

As the great American writer said: “If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.” Think about it.

So basically the position taken is that we are exposed to media bias.

How does that changes the fact that the journalists died?

 

[Wiggen]

Jimmy Hoffa?

I didn't know Jimmy Hoffa was a journalist, killed for reporting on the failures of government. :lamo

You guys have a tremendous educational system. :lamo

 

[Wiggen]

Today the one who doesn't know Chinese doesn't know what is going on in China. One who doesn't know Russian doesn't know what is going on in Russia. This one may think he does know, but indeed he knows only that what media (mostly western media) translated and interpreted for him. This one may believe he's educated and broad-minded but this is just due to his ignorance and self-confidence.

As the great American writer said: “If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.” Think about it.

You know nothing about freedom. You never will. You swallow everything the Kremlin tells you like good little soldiers and never say a discouraging word. It's actually rather sad, and I would feel sorry for you if you weren't so dangerous.

 

[Wiggen]

Actually I'm having quite a lot of fun.

...and dude your delusions are really getting serious, now you started seeing Putin's agents and spokesmen all around you. See a doctor about that, maybe he can examine your butthurt case as well.

PS.
All hail Wiggen "uncoverer of Putler's personal Chechen GRU VDV Spetsnaz operatives on DP"!

Fallen.

The problem is, if you are going to pretend to be just an honest purveyor of the truth, you can't continually sing the Kremlin's song in post after post. Your transparency is amusing. You, personally, are not.

 

[Fallenangel]

The problem is, if you are going to pretend to be just an honest purveyor of the truth, you can't continually sing the Kremlin's song in post after post. Your transparency is amusing. You, personally, are not.

Sorry, I don't listen to Radio delusion, so I'm not familiar with that song you keep mentioning ... but you sure seem to talk a lot about it.

I know another one though, it is really catchy and goes something like this.
BTR, BTR, BTR 82A ... T72 .... T72 ....T72... T72B3!!!
VSS, VSS, VSS, ASVK ....


And again just for you.



Fallen.

 

[Wiggen]

Try linking something in English. Or restrict your posts to Russian forums - they do have forums in Russia, right? Of course, you probably have to be very careful about what you say. Well, not you personally. I can't imagine you would ever post anything that was contrary to the official Kremlinspeak.

 

[Fallenangel]

Try linking something in English. Or restrict your posts to Russian forums - they do have forums in Russia, right? Of course, you probably have to be very careful about what you say. Well, not you personally. I can't imagine you would ever post anything that was contrary to the official Kremlinspeak.

Well, you asked for something in English ....enjoy. lol


Fallen.

 

[MrFirst]

I didn't know Jimmy Hoffa was a journalist, killed for reporting on the failures of government. :lamo

You guys have a tremendous educational system. :lamo

I didn't see anybody here said Jimmy Hoffa was a journalist. But I see your educational system failed to teach you not just to read letters but to catch sense.

 

[MrFirst]

Polish FM compared Ukraine with African colonies

Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland Grzegorz Shetina saying about the relationship of Warsaw and Kiev, put them on a par with the relations between European countries and their colonies in Africa.

"Speaking about Ukraine without Poland - is like talking about the affairs of Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco without Italy, France, Spain," - said Polish Foreign Minister Grzegorz Shetina, alluding to the colonial past of African countries, reports Russia Today.

This statement caused a negative reaction: "If the Polish foreign minister said so, this should be his last appearance as a minister," - said in response Ukrainian diplomat Vasily Filipchuk.

Polish FM compared Ukraine with African colonies

 

[Rogue Valley]

Anyone with even half a brain realizes Russia Today is the Russian equivalent of Iran's Press TV.