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I was unaware of the magnitude of the problem in the past. But that's irrelevant, his administration knew about this.
No doubt you were every bit as outraged in the past. Honestly, to suggest this is Obama's fault is beyond silly. I'm quite sure you'll be leading the cheers for him as this gets fixed since the repairs will start on his watch.
I was unaware of the magnitude of the problem in the past. But that's irrelevant, his administration knew about this.
Link?
We're in a thread about him doing nothing, you need more proof of something already admitted to?
The government isn't what needs fixing in this particular case. The way the system works for the given circumstances is what needs to be fixed. It is capable of being fixed, but both sides are too busy fighting to work towards it. They both want to place partisan-based blame, just as you are doing.
This is nothing like single payer healthcare because there are alternatives to the VA system available for most vets, including other government insurances, employee insurance (or it should be), Medicare, and even other private charity healthcare.
I don't agree with the ACA at all. But that too is not single payer healthcare. That is not UHC/NHS. It is Universally mandated Health Insurance, something that the right pushed for back in the 80s and even 90s.
UHC is nothing but more socialist BS. Giving out to the lazy what others struggled hard and worked for. Thats BS, if someone doesn't work for and earn it for themselves, they shouldn't be given it. That goes for housing, food, water and healthcare. It is illogical to waste limited resources on those who only contribute negatively to society and who are totally worthless as individuals.
UHC is nothing but more socialist BS. Giving out to the lazy what others struggled hard and worked for. Thats BS, if someone doesn't work for and earn it for themselves, they shouldn't be given it. That goes for housing, food, water and healthcare. It is illogical to waste limited resources on those who only contribute negatively to society and who are totally worthless as individuals.
The govt determines the system, so yes it is to blame. And even those nations with single payer often have supplemental insurance.
This is what top down medicine gets us-dead Americans.
What difference at this point does it make?Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says
$1B in malpractice settlements as horror stories revealed
“The problems at the VA are worse than anyone imagined,” Mr. Coburn said. “Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”
Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
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Govt health care in action. :doh And they hire criminals as well. Our vets dont deserve this, and Obama has some explaining to do.
Imagine the headlines if a private insurance company withheld care resulting in the deaths of over a 1000 people. Think it would get coverage?
Look, Congress is as much to blame as anyone. Both houses. I am a disabled vet. I used to use the Phoenix VA. It sucks like a bucket of ticks. Many vets in Arizona knew that before the fit hit the shan. I complained to my congressional representatives and I know other vets who have as well. In frustration, before the debacle went public I finally moved my VA service to Tucson. Sure it's a 2 hour drive, but you actually get appointments.
Congress knew long before a physician blew the whistle and Congress - both parties - did jack ****. Somebody, anybody, show me where Congress addressed the issue and took action before the lid blew off. Someone show me where Congress approached the President, where Shinseki approached the President and informed him of what was happening.
I did not vote for Obama, but blaming Obama for the VA debacle is partisan hackery. Blame the VA, then blame both houses and both parties, then blame the American people. Where are all those yellow ribbon sumbitches now?
Our own medical system leads to dead Americans, as I've shown in the first thing I posted.
They do it all the time. Heck, that was big news with HMOs not too long ago and they operated for decades like that. Insurance companies still do this. Or do you not remember the movie John Q? That certainly wasn't government run healthcare doing that. Do you think they pulled the basis for that movie out of nowhere.
HMO Refuses To Pay For Life Saving Surgery | Consumer Watchdog
The story of the little girl who was attacked by dogs (the KFC thing that may or may not be a hoax) says that they were trying to raise money for her because their insurance company was refusing to pay for food for the feeding tube.
Insurance companies refuse to pay medical bills of Old Bridge woman injured in wrong-way crash | NJ.com
Do you need more? It happens all the time. They simply aren't as scrutinized as the government system is.
They do it all the time. Heck, that was big news with HMOs not too long ago and they operated for decades like that. Insurance companies still do this. Or do you not remember the movie John Q? That certainly wasn't government run healthcare doing that. Do you think they pulled the basis for that movie out of nowhere.
HMO Refuses To Pay For Life Saving Surgery | Consumer Watchdog
The story of the little girl who was attacked by dogs (the KFC thing that may or may not be a hoax) says that they were trying to raise money for her because their insurance company was refusing to pay for food for the feeding tube.
Insurance companies refuse to pay medical bills of Old Bridge woman injured in wrong-way crash | NJ.com
Do you need more? It happens all the time. They simply aren't as scrutinized as the government system is.
Medicine in and of itself has inherent risks. Those dont include putting war veterans on secret "die" lists. That was the govt, NOT medicine.
Show me where they SYSTEMICALLY DENIED CARE TO THOUSANDS RESULTING IN DEATHS. You can't.
And btw, the private sector is much more regulated and scrutinized compared to govt healthcare.
Many die because of non-government run healthcare as well. How many people have died because their insurance wouldn't pay for a procedure they needed? How many people die because they simply don't have health insurance at all? How many people die because the hospitals are only required to save a person's life? My brother had a medical issue last year that landed him in the hospital twice, the second time because the hospital that took care of him the first time didn't do something right and he got an internal infection. This led to a hospital visit in a different state (he had went to our mother's to recover), which required an expensive ambulance ride to a hospital over an hour and a half away from the one he initially went to. The only reason it was caught in time was because my mother and aunt are both nurses and recognized the signs. Private hospitals and medical facilities and even private insurance does the exact same things that the VA are getting accused of, except they aren't as scrutinized.
As for the high costs, do you have any idea of how the VA medical runs? Most vets require private medical insurance because you only qualify for the VA system as full use if you have a certain qualifying percentage. Most vets who use the VA system can only use it for very specific issues, service connected disabilities. If it isn't service connected or you don't have that qualifying percent disability to entitle you to use it for anything, you have to go to a private medical institution. The government isn't keeping insurance premiums and deductibles high. That would be the insurance companies and the cost of private medical practice doing that.
Some of this depends upon the veteran's enlistment agreement. My enlistment agreement guarantees me medical care from a CBOC clinic, as well as medical and hospitalization, I also have medicare A, but VA doctors will not set foot in a private hospital, so I'm fully VA.
How about us "lazy" retired people, should we use Social Security?
I already have.
First of all, you have 1000 deaths (according to a right wing biased publication) over a 10 year period. There are 26x more deaths than that caused annually by people simply not having insurance.
No, the private sector isn't, especially not when it comes to insurance and what they will or won't pay for.
Some of this depends upon the veteran's enlistment agreement. My enlistment agreement guarantees me medical care from a CBOC clinic, as well as medical and hospitalization, I also have medicare A, but VA doctors will not set foot in a private hospital, so I'm fully VA.
And you expect the government to honor that agreement? America has about as good a record of honoring it's agreements with it's veterans as it has honoring treaties with the Native Americans.
I already have.
First of all, you have 1000 deaths (according to a right wing biased publication) over a 10 year period. There are 26x more deaths than that caused annually by people simply not having insurance.
No, the private sector isn't, especially not when it comes to insurance and what they will or won't pay for.
Your counting raw numbers not percentages. Also, the really big difference between the two groups you mention are that veterans sacrificed a whole hell of a lot and worked very hard for that care. How many of the uninsured would have insurance if they actually worked, worked at something other than unskilled labor or took education opportunities to get better jobs?
How many more could have insurance if we quit mandating carrying the dead weight?
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