FiremanRyan
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FiremanRyan said:now that President Bush is mid-way into his second term, how do you feel about the job he's doing in the white house? personally, i think he's made a complete 180 from his first term and has become a bit of a failure as our president.
though much progress is being made in Iraq, the pullout process of getting the country on its feet and bringing our men home is taking too long. if we were working as swiftly as we did during the initial phase of the war and with as much planning and execution, im sure we be getting closer but it just seems like things are becoming more sloppy by the day. he's also not speaking publically enough and letting the people know whats going on there. he's spending WAY too much money in every facet of the budget and his border policy sucks. aside from getting Roberts confirmed, i cant think of one think he's done right. obviously 90% of the criticism he catches from the public and the media is not deserved, but that still leaves 10% of genuinely **** poor work as a leader.
cant wait for 08 haha.
galenrox said:Dude, I'm not voting, I'm as curious as you
Hoot said:I think Bush is the worst president we've had in the history of our nation, but I certainly wouldn't vote on a poll meant for conservatives. I stopped being a conservative after I saw the way the right wing fought the Clintons at every turn...it was a disgusting display, and some right wingers have the nerve to ask why the 'mean 'ol liberals' are not supporting Bush for the good of the nation? Can you blame them?
I'm frankly aghast that some people have voted over 90% approval rating for Bush?! ROTFL!!! Who are these people? Inlaws or outlaws?
I blame our education system and poor parentage.
TurtleDude said:worst president in the history of the nation? :rofl
How soon people forget Dimmy Carter :roll:
Hoot said:Carter didn't leave a deficit that will take 200 some odd years to pay off.
FYI, Team Bush is molly coddling one of the Iranian terrorist organizations who backed the taking of the hostages, the Mojahedin-e Khalq.TurtleDude said:If Jimmy Carter had dealt with the Iranian bandits properly, we wouldn't be in this war now
Simon W. Moon said:FYI, Team Bush is molly coddling one of the Iranian terrorist organizations who backed the taking of the hostages, the Mojahedin-e Khalq.
But as most every bit of info re Teaqm Bush and the MeK is so heavily fnorded I won't be surprised if you can't read and remember reading this.
More of the Admin's folly. Outside of the Mek and Team Bush, very few folks see the org as having a snowball's chance. Siding w/ Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war turned them into the Monafeqin-e Khalq in the eyes of their fellow Iranians.TurtleDude said:From what I gather they are trying to unseat the fundi regime in Iran and are thus seen as useful by this administration
Simon W. Moon said:More of the Admin's folly. Outside of the Mek and Team Bush, very few folks see the org as having a snowball's chance. Siding w/ Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war turned them into the Monafeqin-e Khalq in the eyes of their fellow Iranians.
FiremanRyan said:wow, i am from from moving to the left. on the contrary, its hard to believe someone is a true conservative or supports the Republican party if they are happy with Bush.
like i said, he is a horrible war time leader. i supported the war in Iraq and still do to this day, but i would like to be more informed on our progress. Bush NEVER talks about it and when he does its just the same script handed to him everytime. "we will see our way through this" doesnt cut it. i guess it just amazes me that in the era of mass media he seems to make less public appearances that ******* George Washington.
he has done NOTHING about immigration.
he is NOT pushing for oil drillling in the mainland states.
he spends more than any Democrat i can thing of.
he is NOT helping Delay.
we know nothing about Harriet Miers but were supposed to trust him? i trust many politicians but not Bush, someone who talks big game to get support from fellow Republicans yet fails to follow up on any of it.
and to this day he has NOT identified our enemy in the war on terror. if any of you think that George Bush is half as good of a president as his dad or Reagan, you're nuts.
Thats just your opinion. And unfortunately, the facts arent on your side with this one. Are there things I wish our President was doing differently? Yes. But am I unhappy with him? NO. I find it hard to believe that someone who is a true conservative or supports the Republican party could be UNHAPPY with Bush.wow, i am from from moving to the left. on the contrary, its hard to believe someone is a true conservative or supports the Republican party if they are happy with Bush.
He is NOT a horrible war time leader. I can't even imagine having Kerry as a war time leader. It is a very scary thought. What more information do you need? He has told you exactly what the plan is. You can't expect him to give away specific details. Because that would just help our enemy. You are not out there fighting. You are watching TV. So don't tell me you need more information.like i said, he is a horrible war time leader. i supported the war in Iraq and still do to this day, but i would like to be more informed on our progress. Bush NEVER talks about it and when he does its just the same script handed to him everytime. "we will see our way through this" doesnt cut it. i guess it just amazes me that in the era of mass media he seems to make less public appearances that ******* George Washington.
Bush has been saying the same things that he said 4 years ago. That is a GOOD thing. This PROVES that he is consistent and honest. This PROVES that he DOES what he SAYS. Would you rather have a president that talks to the media all the time and changes his story each time he talks? NO.Bush NEVER talks about it and when he does its just the same script handed to him everytime.
It really sounds like you just watched CNN for 10 minutes. The answers to your questions are out there. All you have to do is read. Everytime he mentions drilling here, the liberals and environmentalist cry and complain and he gets bashed on the media.he has done NOTHING about immigration.
he is NOT pushing for oil drillling in the mainland states.
he spends more than any Democrat i can thing of.
he is NOT helping Delay.
Again, this is just liberal talk. This is just your opinion. The facts don't support your statement. Don't sit here and claim to be a conservative. You like to say your a conservative so then you can say " look how smart I am, I am a conservative and I hate Bush, I am a very enlightened person." I don't know why some people do that. Maybe its so you can make the libs on this site like you, I really don't know. But I do know that you are not in the majority.we know nothing about Harriet Miers but were supposed to trust him? i trust many politicians but not Bush, someone who talks big game to get support from fellow Republicans yet fails to follow up on any of it.
and to this day he has NOT identified our enemy in the war on terror. if any of you think that George Bush is half as good of a president as his dad or Reagan, you're nuts.
It's from a sense of obligation as a citizen in a representative republic. When the gov screws up Americans have a solemn duty to call them on it.TurtleDude said:is your constant bashing the Bush administration out of a sense that if they would listen to you they would do better or are you a buchananite GOP'er who hates US involvement in foreign lands?
Simon W. Moon said:It's from a sense of obligation as a citizen in a representative republic. When the gov screws up Americans have a solemn duty to call them on it.
The Pro-War party has been deliberately deceptive. Consent based on deception is not genuine consent. W/o the consent of the governed, the gov has no just powers.
I think we need to be involved w/ the world; however, invading Iraq was worse than a crime, it was a blunder.
Re the whole remake the ME scheme, like other realists such as Kissinger and Scowcroft and Baker, I see it as " a mad, hubristic dream likely to backfire with tragic consequences."
How are you defining "majority" here?JKD COBRA said:But I do know that you are not in the majority.
TurtleDude said:up until the going got tough both parties were the "war parties". Its easy to sit back and second guess the war effort but I really don't think that is particularly helpful. we are there now and whining about the decision to go just looks like sour grapes.
FiremanRyan said:wow, i am from from moving to the left. on the contrary, its hard to believe someone is a true conservative or supports the Republican party if they are happy with Bush.
like i said, he is a horrible war time leader. i supported the war in Iraq and still do to this day, but i would like to be more informed on our progress. Bush NEVER talks about it and when he does its just the same script handed to him everytime. "we will see our way through this" doesnt cut it. i guess it just amazes me that in the era of mass media he seems to make less public appearances that ******* George Washington.
he has done NOTHING about immigration.
he is NOT pushing for oil drillling in the mainland states.
he spends more than any Democrat i can thing of.
he is NOT helping Delay.
we know nothing about Harriet Miers but were supposed to trust him? i trust many politicians but not Bush, someone who talks big game to get support from fellow Republicans yet fails to follow up on any of it.
and to this day he has NOT identified our enemy in the war on terror. if any of you think that George Bush is half as good of a president as his dad or Reagan, you're nuts.
Are we a representative republic? Or is it now an Oligarchy?Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon:
It's from a sense of obligation as a citizen in a representative republic.
Lol, how did I know you would bring up the approval ratings. Lol its ok, a lot of people make that mistake :dohSimon W. Moon said:How are you defining "majority" here?
Last I checked 53% of folks do not approve of the job George Bush is doing as president.
Of course the number of folks who approve or disapprove don't have much bearing on whether or not he's doing a good job.
FYI, Team Bush is not very conservative. At least not in the regular sense of the term. They're Big-Governemnt Conservatives who favor social engineering experiments. Kind of like dehydrated water etc.
How do you explain Bush winning then?JKD COBRA said:... but when it comes down to the elections, the conservatives are the ones who are winning elections.
How do I explain Bush winning? It's simple, the conservatives came out and voted.Simon W. Moon said:How do you explain Bush winning then?
Team Bush is not conservative. They're Big-Governemnt Conservatives who favor social engineering experiments. Kind of like dehydrated water etc.
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