Lowest rate of rehabilitation?Lowest rate of rehabilitation for any serious violent crime. Child rapists are even worse.So a rapist can never be rehabilitated?
No. Cruel and Unusual punishment has not been inflicted against the victim. A crime was committed against them.Ahh but when looking from the Victim's point of view, which people who are against this sort of punishment would most likely not do, one will notice that a Cruel and Unusual punishment has been inflicted upon them for no crime. Therefore, you'd be hard pressed to find a punishment for Rape that isn't cruel and unusual.
I never knew that our justice system was based on an eye for an eye.
No. Cruel and Unusual punishment has not been inflicted against the victim. A crime was committed against them.
Well that is just a little simplistic and untrue for me.... while the rapist suffers at best a horrible rape-death in prison and at worst they live their life with minor inconvenience. It's just a little too unsure for me.
So a rapist can never be rehabilitated?
About 50 years in prison should do the trick.So a rapist can never be rehabilitated?
Well that is just a little simplistic and untrue for me.
50 years is excessive and not needed.About 50 years in prison should do the trick.
It would not change my point of view.Go get raped/sodomized and then talk to me.
Go get raped/sodomized and then talk to me.Well that is just a little simplistic and untrue for me.... while the rapist suffers at best a horrible rape-death in prison and at worst they live their life with minor inconvenience. It's just a little too unsure for me.
50 years is excessive and not needed.
It would not change my point of view.
Nor does this does make any sense as a continuation of what was originally quoted.
Your reply just doesn't follow.
There was nothing wrong with the way I quoted what you said.When you quote half of my post, you're right it doesn't make any sense. I was comparing the possible outcomes of punishment for the rapist as vs. to the pain and suffering inflicted on the victims.
Both are opinion and not necessarily true.Due to the flaws and shortcomings of the system, bad people get off WAY to easily, and Victims are oftentimes never compensated enough, ...
The suffering/damage that is experienced is the reason it is a crime in the first place.... because how do you compensate a rape victim? a child that has been molested? Someone who has been shot or had a loved one get shot? You can't, ...
I disagree.... and when Rapists inflict the damage they do on people, both physical and mental, and then get off with 5 years in prison and parole, it seems to me like the Justice system has failed that particular victim.
And there you have it.Now, when a rapist gets a prison sentence and gets raped in the showers, I feel like a little Justice has been done there.
There was nothing wrong with the way I quoted what you said.
I quoted the relevant portion to which my reply was directed. (The second half of your comparison.) To me it was simplistic and untrue.
Regardless, your reply still wouldn't have followed even if I had quoted the first half of your comparison. Because the first half is irrelevant to my comment on the second half.
Both are opinion and not necessarily true.
The suffering/damage that is experienced is the reason it is a crime in the first place.
Compensation for said suffering/damage comes in the form of having the Government prosecute those who are believed to have committed the crime.
Sorry you do not feel that is enough.
I disagree.
Five years of having your freedom taken, your life regimented and all the other experiences that go along with prison, as well as what they then suffer once they are discharged, seems to be more than an adequate amount of punishment.
And there you have it.
It is more like you want legalized revenge instead of punishment for doing wrong.
If it were up to me I would use a knife instead of a drug that isn't permanent.
Rape, be it of a child or an adult, is the one crime that does not ever have an excuse. Murder, theft can at least have a valid excuse. Rape never does. For that reason (among others of course) I think that it should have the harshest sentence possible.
Any acts committed against me or my family does not matter in regards to what is being discussed.Have any criminal acts been committed against you?
Any acts committed against me or my family does not matter in regards to what is being discussed.
I agree.As for castration, I don't think it falls within proper punishment of the State. And if it does, I say we use it against all stupid people first.
Really. Unless of course it is being claimed that such an act occurred when it never actually did.Rape, be it of a child or an adult, is the one crime that does not ever have an excuse.
No, no it doesn't, nor should it.It SHOULDN'T but yes, yes it does.
Equivalent?If you haven't been raped then how do you even know what is equivalent or just?
I think I understand the 'Rape' issue better that you think I do.You need to speak with rape victims, rapists, look at recidivism rates, and understand fully the rape issue before you claim that a short stint in prison (with or without the buttrape) is enough punishment for a rapist.
Within 3 years of release, 2.5% of released rapists were rearrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for a new homicide.
(First page, Highlights.)
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/rpr94.pdf
Wow, really? If they're still so much of a danger then keep them in jail. That's cruel and unusual punishment.
Now, when a rapist gets a prison sentence and gets raped in the showers, I feel like a little Justice has been done there.
I've been raped, as a child and as a young adult. It does nothing to undermine my position that our casual attitude toward prison rape is a blight upon our honor as a society and that we owe ourselves and our prisoners-- even rapists-- better than that.
There is no justice in it. There is only more pain, and if I've learned anything about pain in my life, it's that there are two types of pain: pain that makes us more careful in the future, and pain that makes us want to hurt anyone and everyone else until we feel better.
Neither kind of pain gives us the results we want from criminals-- and if you're hurting someone else to make yourself feel better, you have to inflict a Hell of a lot more pain on a Hell of a lot more people before you're satisfied. Balancing the scales is never enough.
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