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scatt said:
The discussion is the gun murders, not the majority of gun deaths, which are not murders. And do not cite Wikipedia as a response to the FBI, it will be ignored by everyone.
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If you can't or refuse to access Wikipedia, here's the source for the data:

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_Violence_Related_Injury_Deaths_2010-a.pdf


Will you now claim the CDC isn't a reputable source but the FBI is?
 
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:lamo You're going to use Japan's suicide rate as a comparison?!? :lamo
 
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Both good points. Thanks for your input!
 
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scatt said:
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If wiki, with it's listed references, isn't good enough for you then don't even bother to post unreferenced data. With you being so picky about references, everyone would have to assume your data is complete crap. I mean, if it isn't complete crap, why isn't it referenced?
 
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MoSurveyor said:
:lamo You're going to use Japan's suicide rate as a comparison?!? :lamo
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Awwww...look how cute you are. Yes...I am going to use suicide rates in non-gun states just as readily as anti-gun people look to Japan as their 'model'. of success.
 
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Always the same with you. Dood wants to talk overall murder rates, I say fine...lets DO talk overall murder rates and REAL solutions, not just the mindless I hate guns lets ban guns rhtetorc....and to you that is changing the subject.
 
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ethanUNC said:
No thanks - doesn't work well and really expensive. I'm a conservative; I don't like wasting money.
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Gotcha. So its just more typical bull**** rhetoric from you then? You really really really really really really REALLY care...as long as you dont have to actually address the real problems and can just target legal gun ownership.
 
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ethanUNC said:
Then why are there only 42 homicides in the UK? Why are the numbers so low in all of the countries that control it? If it were so easy to get illegal guns, why aren't their gun homicide rates 1/20 of the US?
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Do those countries have the same type of drug problems we have? Gang problems we have? The VAST majority of violent crimes in this country occurs within certain demographics. You want answers...look there. Oh wait...thats right...you arent really willing to address the actual problems.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Who says I don't advocate that?

You just love debating imaginary strawman, don't you?
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Your own words indict you. Of course...I'll allow for the possibility I could be mistaken. All you have to do then is point to your offerings of a 'solution' that actually addresses the violent crime and who is committing them and not one that merely targets law abiding citizens and legal gun ownership.
 
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rocket88 said:
I'm waiting for the usual suspects to jump in and take his side. Certain people for whom the gun owner is never wrong....
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The shooter was wrong.
 
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Verax said:
Are you suggesting like... every 3rd person carries a firearm? The states I've lived in, its pretty uncommon for someone to be armed...
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Really, how do you know who's carrying?
 
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Strange since the primary part about concealed carry is the concealed part.
 
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ethanUNC said:
Not significant, sorry. Most people survive assaults and other non-gun related crimes.
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Haha.

MoSurveyor said:
If you can't or refuse to access Wikipedia, here's the source for the data:
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Murders.
 
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American said:
The shooter was wrong.
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Thank you. At least someone can see past partisan politics and admit that maybe this guy wasn't right just because he had a gun. He may have been within his rights to be armed, but he was not within his rights to shoot someone else.
 
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American said:
Really, how do you know who's carrying?
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Read the thread, its been determined about how many carry.
 
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American said:
Strange since the primary part about concealed carry is the concealed part.
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Concealed weapon, open mouth.

Not to mention in the summer people wear very little clothes, its easy to see who carries, almost nobody.
 
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Verax said:
Not to mention in the summer people wear very little clothes, its easy to see who carries, almost nobody.
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That would be false.
 
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Verax said:
Concealed weapon, open mouth.

Not to mention in the summer people wear very little clothes, its easy to see who carries, almost nobody.
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Wrong again.
 
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Threegoofs said:
I actually have no doubt about this. Although I dont know how you can equate getting al license taken away by crime a whole accounting on crime.
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I am not equating "crime" and "license revocation." I don't think you understand what is going on here.


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Prove it. Lets see the numbers.
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The numbers I gave you involve ALL those legally allowed carry a firearm into public in Florida. That is LAWFUL carry. Of THAT group only .001% have ACTUALLY committed a crime with a firearm. 10% of those who had a license REVOKED have actually had it reinstated. You can't get away from those numbers man. That is unequivical PROOF that LAWFUL CARRIERS are overwhelmingly NOT the group committing crimes.


How many of these people are LAWFUL carriers of firearms? As I demonstrated ABOVE...FEW. 168 in the state of Florida had permission to carry a firearm in public...and used that firearm to commit a crime. I PROVED to you that few LAW ABIDING citizens commit crimes with guns.

But I'm sure its still a small number... because guys who get CC permits are following the law. People who dont obey the law and commit gun crimes dont tend to bother with permits.
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So why would you wish to RESTRICT the law abiding citizens if you are admitting here that people who already break laws, would not care about more laws. It seems you have stumbled upon the paradox that defeats the policy of "gun control as crime control." Maybe you will understand why the problem ISN'T with guns? IT is with people.


Tens of thousands commit suicide. Others die by ACCIDENT. If you want to talk about gun DEATHS...that is a dishonest discussion that seeks to blame an object for killing someone:


As the video demonstrates...a gun isn't the problem. If that were the case...well we would have politicians going after the manufacturers for making AI death machines like Terminator wouldn't we? But skynet isn't online yet, and guns still require an opperator to pull the trigger. So maybe if you want to do something about people dying...you might actually try to find out the root cause and treat that?
 
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Verax said:
Concealed weapon, open mouth.

Not to mention in the summer people wear very little clothes, its easy to see who carries, almost nobody.
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LOL!!!! I live in Florida man. It doesn't get much hotter here. And yet I carry every day. Either a subcompact XD (glock size) or an LCP. Nobody knows when I carry. Unless they know me. How many people know that a gun is printing or a cell phone in a holster is printing? Hell how many know it is a cell phone or a gun in my pocket?
 
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Who knows it's in Florida, right? Maybe, he can get off by saying the texting threatened him.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Who knows it's in Florida, right? Maybe, he can get off by saying the texting threatened him.
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No. We are pretty good at handing out convictions. Just cause you didn't like the result of one trial doesn't mean the whole state is corrupt .
 
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VanceMack said:
Always the same with you. Dood wants to talk overall murder rates, I say fine...lets DO talk overall murder rates and REAL solutions, not just the mindless I hate guns lets ban guns rhtetorc....and to you that is changing the subject.
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Yep! It's a change of subject. Start a new thread if you want to bitch about violence in general.
 
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VanceMack said:
Awwww...look how cute you are. Yes...I am going to use suicide rates in non-gun states just as readily as anti-gun people look to Japan as their 'model'. of success.
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Yeah, we'll just assume Japanese society is the same as the West - no socially accepted suicides. :lamo
 
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