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It's an arguable point as the man was at that point in cuffs. He probably should have closed the window but its a summer day, and he's looking at spending hours, if not the day, in custody. It was. Poor decision but an understandable one.
But if the man is an innocent bystander, why would he expect to spend hours or days in custody? When I walk my dog, I never expect to be arrested. When I happen upon a police action, I never expect to be arrested. If I'm out to be a **** disturber, not that I ever am, I'm not going to bring my dog along with me - I love and respect my dog too much to put her in harm because of my stupidity - and if I have her with me when I decide to be a **** disturber, I'd bring her home first.
The only being that has my sympathy in this situation, from what I've seen to date, is the innocent animal who did nothing wrong.
Unless the police planned to uncuff him and let him off they were going to go through the arrest process which means he doesn't walk until after he's arraigned. That's at least half a day, maybe as much as two days - and having been arrested before the man is certainly aware of that.
I agree the guy was probably being a jerk. I just think we may be overstating his negligence.
It's an arguable point as the man was at that point in cuffs. He probably should have closed the window but its a summer day, and he's looking at spending hours, if not the day, in custody. It was. Poor decision but an understandable one.
But if the man is an innocent bystander, why would he expect to spend hours or days in custody? When I walk my dog, I never expect to be arrested. When I happen upon a police action, I never expect to be arrested. If I'm out to be a **** disturber, not that I ever am, I'm not going to bring my dog along with me - I love and respect my dog too much to put her in harm because of my stupidity - and if I have her with me when I decide to be a **** disturber, I'd bring her home first.
The only being that has my sympathy in this situation, from what I've seen to date, is the innocent animal who did nothing wrong.
Whoa... That's really bad. First, harassing somebody who didn't do anything, then shooting a dog that wasn't being aggressive. It's pretty obvious in the video that the dog isn't acting aggressive or any way, he just runs up to his owner because he's being man-handled by pieces of ****.
Of course it does. The man seen in the video has a history of negative interaction with the Hawthorne Police department. He entered into an ongoing police action scene, bringing his dog with him.
It has been reported by witnesses he was vocal at the scene.
As the video evidence shows, he was prepared to be arrested by approaching police officers.
Should they have shot his dog? I don't know. They did. It's a bad deal that the owner put his dog in a situation where the dog was only doing what it thought was right.
One thing is absolutely sure, the dog would be alive had Rosby not involved himself in a difficult scene. That's a fact.
Your attempt to testify as if you were an on scene witness to who was doing what is really the only thing that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
why would it be their responsibility? When they approached the man he did not have his dog.
I appreciate your take on this, but there's no overstating the dog owner's negligence because the dog is dead.
It appears the officer was trying to get control of the dog by grabbing it's collar. IMO reaching for the collar is not the best idea, but as others have pointed out cops are required to make a reasonable attempt to control the animal before trying to shoot it.How about the frame where the officer put his hand towards the dog with his gun pointed at the dog prior to the leap?
Why should anyone need to endanger themselves trying to secure an aggressive dog they are not responsible for?
I haven't seen the video, so I don't have an opinion yet. But there have been numerous incidents of police shootings dogs unnecessarily. Police need more training on how to handle dogs and/or they should call the Animal Control department to deal with it. They routinely deal with aggravated dogs without shooting them.
I have to disagree - it is a dog owners responsibility, at all times, to have their dog under control - that did not happen here. It was, perhaps, an honest mistake and an attempt to do the right thing, however, that doesn't change the fact that but for his not being in control of his dog, his dog is now dead.
Yeah, in a police state you get arrested when you call out "where are the black cops at", in a normal society the police would have walked up and told the man to go about his business, get in his car and go away.
Maybe because he knows how the local police department acts towards some people in their community. I am not sure at all he was a disturber, there is nothing in the video that suggests that.
Actually, again, I have to disagree - if the dog owner was innocent, as seems to be the impression, there would be no reason for him to put a well behaving dog in the car simply because two police officers were approaching him. If two police officers approach you on the street, do you automatically turn around and put your hands behind your back to be handcuffed? That's at the very least an admission that he thought he'd done something wrong.
They were endangering themselves by NOT making sure the dog was secure. That does not mean they had to touch the dog or get really close. They could have had the owner do that.
Yes, it does, actually.Even the Police Department has stated it was FEAR that was behind shooting the dog. Cops fear alot of things, like does someone have a gun in the house. Does that give cops right to shoot people because they are unarmed?
When I happen upon a police action, I never expect to be arrested.
In the video, there were people standing on a front lawn as the two police officers approach the guy with the dog - the police pass them first - why didn't the police arrest or harass those people if the police were just targeting innocent people because that's what the local police do?
The dog no doubt thought he was coming to his master's aid. Too bad the owner was not as loyal to the dog as the dog was to the owner. My dog is in her usual evening location under my desk, at my feet, as I type.
Good evening, CJ.:2wave:
He probably knew it is considered illegal in many areas to record/film a crime scene and so expected an arrest. Many people, especially the black community, are very much aware of this ridiculous law. That, or he was intentionally being dramatic for the camera.
They knew he had put away his dog. Training (and common sense) would tell them to make sure the dog is secure.
Anyone with a brain knows that arresting a man will get its dog worked up. Not that they had to arrest the man in the first place.
Listing to the people who were making the video....the whole reason they were recording this guy in the first place is because he was making a scene and they were enjoying it.He was not making a scene. He was videotaping/taking pictures.
Good evening 2M - mine is on the couch, on her back sleeping away, as I type and watch the BlueJays/Tigers game. She can bark up a storm and appear very threatening if you knock on the door or deliver the mail, but when under my command on our walks, she's gentle as a lamb - but I'd never put her in such a situation because I'd never want her harmed, and even though I know her so well, you can never tell what a loose dog will do if it's fight instincts take over.
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