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and when the proponents of unlimited gun ownership spend so much time ridiculing those who would like to see some rationality inserted into the national debate, and when the NRA appears to be little more than a lobbying agency for gun manufacturers, it is rather unconvincing when you pretend that imposing any restrictions on gun ownership is the equivalent of imposing a dictatorship on Americans.
Again, why present solutions when you can't recognize the problem?
What's YOUR solution?
Where did I paint an "entire ideology" as racist? 'Scuse you, but I never did so.
Where did I EVER say or even imply that "every conflict is racism"? 'Scuse you, but I never did so.
Both of those are just you wanting to assign your assumptions to me...and both are flat wrong.
I pointed out at length prime examples of how racism is part and parcel of politics and society in the Deep South - and it's hard to believe that you now know that Mississippi didn't ratify the 13th Amendment until 2013 - TWO freaking years ago - and yet still maintain that racism doesn't play a significant role in Southern politics! Apparently, this is yet another manifestation of the modern conservative stance that if you pretend racism doesn't exist, sooner or later it will magically go away all on its lonesome.
But I guess it's like the old saying - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
The real world says the anti gun control folks refuse to acknowledge the multiple studies and examples that counter their position. It is impossible to "meet the test" when the goalpost are mounted on a highpowered moving van.
I asked you. What sort of new gun control regulation would have stopped this from happening?
My guess is that someone who's able to obtain opiates will also be able to obtain an illegal gun.
The real world says the anti gun control folks refuse to acknowledge the multiple studies and examples that counter their position. It is impossible to "meet the test" when the goalpost are mounted on a highpowered moving van.
It was most definitely a racist attack.
Yes, the victims were chosen because of their race. What is being rejected is the idea that this attack is somehow linked to a political philosophy or Fox News, or political rhetoric, or the Confederate flag. It seems every time something like this happens, everyone rushes to try to identify the perpetrators political lean then use that to smear everyone with the same political thinking. Racism was the pretext for his action. The root cause was a twisted mind. He sat with these wonderful people and talked with them for over an hour. Then pulled out a gun and slaughtered them. That is the act of a psychopath, moved by his own twisted thoughts.
Yes, the victims were chosen because of their race. What is being rejected is the idea that this attack is somehow linked to a political philosophy or Fox News, or political rhetoric, or the Confederate flag. It seems every time something like this happens, everyone rushes to try to identify the perpetrators political lean then use that to smear everyone with the same political thinking. Racism was the pretext for his action. The root cause was a twisted mind. He sat with these wonderful people and talked with them for over an hour. Then pulled out a gun and slaughtered them. That is the act of a psychopath, moved by his own twisted thoughts.
We have gun control in this country. The question for those who want more gun control is what measures do you suggest that would prevent this sort of event from happening in the future.
What is being rejected is the idea that this attack is somehow linked to a political philosophy or Fox News, or political rhetoric
Sorry, that is asinine. Name for me the political figure or pundit who has said anything even remotely close to that. You cant. You are just spreading lies.I don't really see how the right can believe that all the racist hate that is spread by some- certainly not all- pundits and politicians on the right could not have an impact. I mean, where do you think this guy got the idea that black people are taking over the country? Where do you think he got the idea that there is some epidemic of blacks raping white women? What kind of "news" could this guy have been reading and listening to that wouldn't have been clear that white supremacy is idiotic and immoral?
When we will learn to live peacefully as human being rather hate each other? What's going on in this country? Why there is so much hatred?! Let flowers in your hand not gun.
Sorry, that is asinine. Name for me the political figure or pundit who has said anything even remotely close to that. You cant. You are just spreading lies.
I mean, the idea that minorities are "taking over the country" is a direct quote from Bill O'Reilly... The shooter said, pretty much word for word, what O'Reilly said to summarize the 2012 election results. And it isn't just O'Reilly, that view is constantly expressed by dozens on the right. Even Romney insinuated as much on the very night of the election. Glenn Beck constantly argued that the country has been taken over by communist black supremacists intent on committing genocide against whites... The idea that there is an epidemic of black men raping white women has been a significant theme of right wing media for decades now.
For example, here is a collection of well known right wing pundits ranting about black-on-white crime and particularly black men raping white women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mesx9htmRdI
Ann Coulter pushes the black men raping white women meme pretty much every day. Limbaugh is constantly going on about it. Etc.
These things have an impact. It matters how media outlets talk about this stuff.
I mean, the idea that minorities are "taking over the country" is a direct quote from Bill O'Reilly... The shooter said, pretty much word for word, what O'Reilly said to summarize the 2012 election results. And it isn't just O'Reilly, that view is constantly expressed by dozens on the right. Even Romney insinuated as much on the very night of the election. Glenn Beck constantly argued that the country has been taken over by communist black supremacists intent on committing genocide against whites... The idea that there is an epidemic of black men raping white women has been a significant theme of right wing media for decades now.
For example, here is a collection of well known right wing pundits ranting about black-on-white crime and particularly black men raping white women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mesx9htmRdI
Ann Coulter pushes the black men raping white women meme pretty much every day. Limbaugh is constantly going on about it. Etc.
These things have an impact. It matters how media outlets talk about this stuff.
I wouldn't be at all surprised, given that the Confederacy was aligned with the Democrats while the Republicans led a war against them. Why Democrats Avoid Confederate History While Republicans Embrace It.
I don't listen to Limbaugh, and I haven't read a Coulter article in several months. But I did watch your linked YouTube and am disappointed that you're taking what's being said out of context.
Coulter was discussing the "racial etiquette" of mainstream media reporting and how "man bites dog" stories are more frequently covered. She cited as an example of this stats from a DOJ victims survey that indicate over a 15-year period that one to two thousand black-on-white rapes occur while white-on-black rapes are statistically irrelevant.
You show me where Ann Counter or anybody else is pushing a black-men-raping-white-women meme. I don't think you'll be able to, and I urge you to abandon the claim that this is a significant theme of the "right-wing media."
Please provide quotes from Coulter and Limbaugh. If they are "going on about it constantly' you should be able to come up with lots of stuff. I will be kind, though, and request just a single instance from each. Thank you.
your posts fail to actually respond to points and instead they engage in irrelevant. and its amusing that you just don't get it. When you spend so much time insulting and ridiculing lawful gun owners, its rather hard to pretend your motivations are actually based on some legitimate desire to increase public safety. Rather, your posts exemplify what i have said all along: your position is based on a disgust for the politics of pro gun advocates and your hatred of the NRA's lobbying efforts
that's why your posts have yet to proffer a legitimate solution for crime issues
You mention Ann Coulter and have just one article by her, without pointing out any untruths. Why not take a quote of hers, in context, and then point out any errors in her logic?I don't really know what you thought Ann Coulter was about... I mean, I guess if you just aren't familiar with her, that is probably a good thing, but yeah, that's her whole bit- she pitches white supremacy on conservative media outlets. That's the only thing she does. Limbaugh is more of a general-purpose right wing nut. He covers all kinds of things from economic policy to pushing white supremacy. I already gave you several examples of them and other right wingers pushing that meme, but here are some more:
Ann Coulter Says Immigrants Will Rape and Impregnate Your Little Girls
Ann Coulter - December 4, 2013 - LIBERALS TALK RACE AND CRIME - AND HILARITY ENSUES!
The truth about interracial rape
Black America's real problem isn't white racism
Etc.
It isn't a remotely new thing, that has been one of the main white supremacist talking points for literally hundreds of years. In reality, of course, interracial rape is extremely rare. Much of the hype about it historically came from cases where an interracial couple was caught having sex and the authorities just treated that as a rape because interracial sex was so unacceptable that they would coerce the women into saying it was rape, or just ignore what the women said entirely and lock up or kill the black person.
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Don't get me wrong - like most liberals, I strongly support the right of law-abiding citizens to purchase and keep firearms, but with limits. I support full registration of firearms, background checks for all purchases (public or private), and restrictions against certain types of firearms and attachments...and the idea that these eminently sensible measures are somehow tyrannical...is sheer lunacy. And every year we have thousands of innocent men, women, and children killed (deliberately or accidentally) simply because so many Americans can't see past their own gun fetish.
I don't even own a gun - I don't need one. If I lived back where I grew up in MS, I'd sure as heck have guns in the house, at least one good pistol for self-defense (since the boonies are normally a significantly higher-crime area than the suburbs), a 12-gauge for larger wild animals and the occasional rabid dog, and a .410 for smaller varmints, especially cottonmouths and the relatively new crossbreed we call 'rattlemocs', which is exactly what it sounds like). But where I live, I don't need one.
It's actually fact. not opinion. You really should learn to differentiate between the two.I'm not particularly interested in a foreigner's opinion.
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