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YES, there were many in the North who didn't care about slavery one way or another...but most did, which is why most of those who they elected opposed slavery.
And your claim that "the legacy of the Confederacy does no more to foster hate or violence than any other American institution" is one of the grandest examples of a false equivalency I have ever seen. It was the legacy of the Confederacy that brought about the KKK and Jim Crow. It was the legacy of the Confederacy that gave impetus to those who opposed the Civil Rights struggle, who opposed desegregation (such as the "segregation academies" that still exist in the South to this day - I should know, since I attended one). It was the legacy of the Confederacy that kept Vicksburg, MS (where I lived for a while) from celebrating our nation's Independence Day for eighty-one years after the end of the Civil War.
Yes, TD looks at the comments section of a site and assumes that those anonymous individuals who post such comments speak for all liberals and lefties.
This would be very much like me pointing to comments by white supremacists and claiming they speak for all conservatives and righties.
But that is what's called a broad-brush logical fallacy - and it's stupid. I know that, and that's why I don't do that. TD hasn't learned this yet, apparently.
Again...you need to recognize the problem before you formulate solutions.
Well then...isn't it broad brush stupid for liberals to brand all gun owners with the same brush when one of the kooks commits mass murder? That's what the left does when it screams "gun control" every time one of the few nutjobs starts shooting.
Do you have citation or source for that?
I saw clips of the 19 year old son of one of the victims, Chris Singleton. He was speaking with his baseball team standing behind him. In addition to be amazingly articulate for a young person, he stressed how he forgave the shooter. He spoke about his mother, and how she loved to pray for him and his sister. If you have a chance, watch it. Tears came to my eyes.
Chris Singleton Delivers Inspiring Speech After Losing His Mom in Charleston Church Shooting | E! Online
Here is a young man who was personally impacted by this. He lost his mother in the most horrific way. Yet unlike the internet keyboard warriors, he didn't blame Fox News and the GOP. He didn't call for people to "mobilize". He didn't scream and rant and point fingers at the gun manufacturers. He spoke of love and forgiveness.
Many people, including many on this board, should shut their mouths and close their fingers, and let someone who this tragedy really impacted speak. This is the way this should be. This young man is a damn inspiration.
no one else seems to find your onion citation to have any merit. it was silly because it whined about a problem and had no solutions. its point was to try to demonize gun ownership without having the courage to call for gun bans that it wants
We own a gun and we use it only for sport. We are members of a gun club and enjoy target practicing. We have never once thought of taking another person's life with it. I have always found comments like this very disturbing and paranoid. Ask any active duty Vet and they will tell you, it looks a lot easier on TV than it is in real life.
Sorry - we're different people. You start from a base where every conflict is racism and I start from a base where no conflict is racism. I can easily move, as in this case, to recognize racism for what it is and call it out for what it is. You, on the other hand, can't move from your base belief because your fall back position is if it isn't blatant racism it must be covert racism. Such a sad world you live in.
However, racism really isn't in dispute here - we both agree the actions of this young man stem from racial hatred. What we don't agree on is your obsessed need to attribute that racism to conservative politics. You paint an entire political ideology as racist and that's what makes your comments bigotry. Sorry, it is what it is.
Well then...isn't it broad brush stupid for liberals to brand all gun owners with the same brush when one of the kooks commits mass murder? That's what the left does when it screams "gun control" every time one of the few nutjobs starts shooting.
Perhaps someone should point out to threegoofs that the "Onion" is not a serious news source, It is almost exclusively into parody.
Why are so many on the right, absolutists? Apparently because they believe all of their opponents think exactly the same way, they see every statement by those advocating "gun control" as attacks on all gun owners.
Please show us a statement by a group promoting "gun control" that places the blame for gun deaths on all gun owners.
You should take your own advice and recognize the actual problem. And it's not the guns. It's for the most part a combination of drug abuse and a revolving door criminal justice system.
We actually just don't like the people sho kill other people, especially multiple people, with guns.
And discussing gun control when nutjobs shoot (roughly on a monthly basis in the U.S.), is pretty logical. No one is blaming *all* gun owners, despite the fevered postings of most of the gun nuts.
You are kidding, right? All of the restrictions and gun bans promoted by those in the gun control movement on the left are aiming those measures at all gun owners. They are not restricting them to the criminals and those with mental issues.
'Pretend'... Rather than care less because their toys are threatened.
OR in other words: I know what I know and you damned liberal, socialist Marxists are trying to limit my personal arsenal!! boogety-boogety!!
So your solution is what?
again, when the proponents of gun restrictions spend so much time ridiculing gun owners and their hatred is generally directed at lawful gun owners and the NRA, its rather unconvincing when you all pretend that its crime control you really want
Perhaps someone should point out to threegoofs that the "Onion" is not a serious news source, It is almost exclusively into parody.
We know that. Its probably the best source available to support his position
You just wallow in victimhood.
As a human being my heart goes out to the victims and their families. What a senseless tragedy. I have a difficult time figuring out why one human being would do this to another innocent human being. I hope the families find peace.
As a Conservative I can tell you that this act is not in my description of conservative ideals. I am no way a doctor but I can say in my opinion anyone who would treat another person in this manner has a serious mental issue. Whatever that issue is should NOT keep this person from facing the full hand of justice. Whether that be death or life in prison. Preferably death considering the wake of misery this guy has left behind. If not death then a long drawn out miserable life sentence where the inmates dole out the justice.
Whether the crime is white on black or black on white the senseless nature of these sort of crimes should infuriate us all equally.
again, when the proponents of gun restrictions spend so much time ridiculing gun owners and their hatred is generally directed at lawful gun owners and the NRA, its rather unconvincing when you all pretend that its crime control you really want
...which you still remain willfully ignorant of.
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