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So then you have no faith in your super secret solution? If I disagree I'll explain why.
Oh, your silly scenarios are just crap. Seriously. I know what kind of person I am, I know where I live, and I know how to handle responsibility.
you haven't proffered any rational solutions. I tire of "solutions" that are designed to harass conservatives and pretend to stop criminals
I don't really get what you're arguing. What would you knowing yourself have to do with any of this? Did you understand my post? Do you have a response to the argument?
Wrong again.
I can see why the Onion article was so over your head.
no one else seems to find your onion citation to have any merit. it was silly because it whined about a problem and had no solutions. its point was to try to demonize gun ownership without having the courage to call for gun bans that it wants
Poor you. Such persecution.
The point was to get some people to recognize the problem of having repeated mass shootings in the U.S.
its a problem. so are calls for gun bans made by people who want to harass gun owners and pretend they care ago the victims
'Pretend'... Rather than care less because their toys are threatened.
You don't think the not-so-subtly racist culture of the old Confederacy had any influence on this moron's worldview? Seriously?
This is not about racism...this is about severe mental illness.
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Sure, there is TONS of racism in America. But going around pointing at it and saying 'see, there it is' isn't going to stop it. It will probably have the opposite effect.
Not talking and thinking about it so much, not looking at people with more or less melanin in their skin as a different 'race' and just getting on with life...that will stop it, imo.
When people stop describing a man as 'a black guy in the red coat' instead of just 'a guy in the red coat' - that is when racism can end.
My decision to own a gun affects only me and those who might find themselves at the wrong end of it.
"Bigoted nonsense". Hmph.
If mine is bigoted nonsense, then yours is simple (and perhaps willful) ignorance. You haven't lived it, you haven't seen it firsthand...and I have. You dismiss the political dynamic of the 1950's and 60's as if that was too long ago to make any difference today...but you really have no clue.
For instance, Mississippi didn't officially ratify the 13th Amendment - you know, the one that outlawed slavery - until the year TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN. Yes, that was TWO YEARS ago, sir. Oh, they'll say that the vote to do so was passed in the MS congress back in 1995, that it was an "administrative error" that kept them from sending it in to D.C. to finalize the ratification...but those of us who grew up down there and understand what it's like know better. It's just like in 1984, when I walked down the street in Shaw, MS where I graduated high school a few years before - the "whites" and "coloreds" signs were still posted above the two segregated entrances to the only doctor's office in town. No one raised an eyebrow - it's just the way it was, even twenty years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act.
Imagine that - Mississippi didn't ratify the amendment banning slavery until 138 freaking years AFTER the amendment became part of our Constitution...but YOU would have us believe that the politics down there doesn't have anything to do with racism. You, sir, haven't a freaking clue.
And explaining this to you appears to be sorta like explaining color to a man who has worn completely-blackened goggles since birth: you could take off the blinders at any time and see what colors are really like, but until you do so, any explanation of color to you is nothing more than nonsense.
No one is denying that the Confederacy's cause was ultimately wrong. That is why they lost.
However, acting like this means that the C.S.A. was some unmitigated evil, which all Southerners and White Americans must vehemently deny and hold their heads in shame when acknowledging, is taking things a step too far.
The simple fact of the matter is that the root causes of the American Civil War were always more political and economic than they were ever racial or humanitarian. Pretending like the Union was some bastion of egalitarianism and racial compassion, where the C.S.A. was an inhuman charnel house, is simply bunk as such. The reality of the situation was far more complicated than that.
Most Northerners couldn't have cared less about slavery. They simply wanted to preserve the Union intact. Likewise, even Lincoln, the "Great Emancipator," ultimately didn't have any form of "multiculturalism" in mind when he (almost unilaterally, and with great controversy) moved to free the slaves. His idea was actually to ship them all back to Africa at the first available opportunity.
At the end of the day, the legacy of the Confederacy does no more to foster hate or violence than any other American institution. A handful of idiots have simply co-opted it for that purpose, as such fringe political minorities are wont to do with any number of (ultimately arbitrary) national, historical, and ethnic symbols.
Fair enough. Although in my case the fact of the SA's political role as an impediment to change is more important than any theological consideration. One historical point to consider: since 18th century militia members often provided their own weapons, the first clause adds weight to the second rather than limiting it.
Sorry - we're different people. You start from a base where every conflict is racism and I start from a base where no conflict is racism. I can easily move, as in this case, to recognize racism for what it is and call it out for what it is. You, on the other hand, can't move from your base belief because your fall back position is if it isn't blatant racism it must be covert racism. Such a sad world you live in.
However, racism really isn't in dispute here - we both agree the actions of this young man stem from racial hatred. What we don't agree on is your obsessed need to attribute that racism to conservative politics. You paint an entire political ideology as racist and that's what makes your comments bigotry. Sorry, it is what it is.
I saw clips of the 19 year old son of one of the victims, Chris Singleton. He was speaking with his baseball team standing behind him. In addition to be amazingly articulate for a young person, he stressed how he forgave the shooter. He spoke about his mother, and how she loved to pray for him and his sister. If you have a chance, watch it. Tears came to my eyes.
Chris Singleton Delivers Inspiring Speech After Losing His Mom in Charleston Church Shooting | E! Online
Here is a young man who was personally impacted by this. He lost his mother in the most horrific way. Yet unlike the internet keyboard warriors, he didn't blame Fox News and the GOP. He didn't call for people to "mobilize". He didn't scream and rant and point fingers at the gun manufacturers. He spoke of love and forgiveness.
Many people, including many on this board, should shut their mouths and close their fingers, and let someone who this tragedy really impacted speak. This is the way this should be. This young man is a damn inspiration.
We own a gun and we use it only for sport. We are members of a gun club and enjoy target practicing. We have never once thought of taking another person's life with it. I have always found comments like this very disturbing and paranoid. Ask any active duty Vet and they will tell you, it looks a lot easier on TV than it is in real life.
Nixon was for gun control
Bush 1 was for gun control
Reagan was for gun control
All major GOP heroes.
And there's the problem - what liberals (and the governments and populations of every other first-world democracy on the planet) see as common sense - required registration, required safety training, restriction of firearms and magazines that have no purpose in the civilian community - YOU see as "harassment"...
...never mind that in EVERY first-world democracy around the world today, where that "harassment" is found, the society is MUCH less violent...and far fewer innocent people are murdered. Pick a first-world democracy - ANY first-world democracy - other than America, and what do you find? That it's a heck of a lot SAFER to walk down the streets at night than it is in America...
...and this holds true even in nations with significantly larger Muslim populations than our own (for those Islamophobes out there).
But I forget - going through even a little bureaucratic hassle to legally own guns is TYRANNYYYYYYY!!!!! But if thousands more innocent men, women, and children die because we've got more guns than people in America, well, THAT's quite acceptable, 'cause freedom, y'know!
Liberal cities are the TOP Crime and MURDER.
There is so much yet to learn. Was anybody monitoring Roof's response to the med?
Roof's roommate is now giving interviews and claiming that Roof had been planning something for six months. Why didn't the roommate speak up? What was Roof doing to pay the rent?
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