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PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ! If you call yourself American.

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I assume that we, as Americans, share a common value for liberty and freedom, and everything I wish to say goes toward the preservation of those values.
To the efficacy and permanency of our Union, a Government for the whole is indispensable. Addressing the party system which has developed in our nation, no alliances, however strict, between the parts can be an adequate substitute; they must inevitably experience the infractions and interruptions, which all alliances in all times have experienced. Knowing this, our forefathers wrote up a Constitution of Government better calculated than any in history. Respect for its authority, compliance with its laws, acquiescence in its measures, are duties enjoined by the fundamental maxims of true Liberty. The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their Constitutions of Government. But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish Government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established Government.
Towards the preservation of your government, and the permanency of our nation, it is not only necessary to obey the Constitution, but to refrain from taking innovative, “creative liberties” with its provisions for revision, what many call “loose construction”. To make, in the forms of the constitution, alterations, which will impair the workings of the system, and thus to undermine what cannot be directly overthrown, is a direct assault against the government. We have seen this in the way that the checks and balances of the system have shifted. In all the changes to which you may be invited, remember that time and habit are at least as necessary to fix the true character of governments, as of other human institutions; that experience is the surest standard, by which to test the real tendency of the existing constitution of a country; and remember, especially, that, for the efficient management of our common interests, in a country so extensive as ours, a government of as much passion as is consistent with the perfect security of liberty is indispensable. Liberty itself will find in such a government, with powers properly distributed and adjusted, its surest guardian. It is, indeed, little else than a name, where the government is too feeble to withstand the enterprises of faction, to confine each member of the society within the limits prescribed by the laws, and to maintain all in the secure and tranquil enjoyment of the rights of person and property.
It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution, in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. Let there be no change by usurpation (the Supreme Court would do well to pay attention); for, though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.
Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. Any man who works to undermine these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens, can never claim to be a patriot or an American, and has no place in this great nation. And let us be careful to think that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend of America, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?
Therefore, let us not allow America to fall to those who believe that the Constitution must be “adapted” to modern circumstances, or that God is may be dismissed since people are naturally good and “enlightened” through science. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Let us continue to place our trust in God and religion for goodness and morality, trust in tradition for our safety, and trust in the just authority of our Constitution for our true freedom and liberty.
This, my friends, is the American way.
 
could you please tell me the requirment for a state to cecede? maybe a small state like rhode island would have the best chance,if it happened i would move ther immediatly!
 
could you please tell me the requirment for a state to cecede? maybe a small state like rhode island would have the best chance,if it happened i would move there immediatly!
 
I assume that we, as Americans, share a common value for liberty and freedom, and everything I wish to say goes toward the preservation of those values.
To the efficacy and permanency of our Union, a Government for the whole is indispensable. Addressing the party system which has developed in our nation, no alliances, however strict, between the parts can be an adequate substitute; they must inevitably experience the infractions and interruptions, which all alliances in all times have experienced. Knowing this, our forefathers wrote up a Constitution of Government better calculated than any in history. Respect for its authority, compliance with its laws, acquiescence in its measures, are duties enjoined by the fundamental maxims of true Liberty. The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their Constitutions of Government. But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish Government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established Government.
Towards the preservation of your government, and the permanency of our nation, it is not only necessary to obey the Constitution, but to refrain from taking innovative, “creative liberties” with its provisions for revision, what many call “loose construction”. To make, in the forms of the constitution, alterations, which will impair the workings of the system, and thus to undermine what cannot be directly overthrown, is a direct assault against the government. We have seen this in the way that the checks and balances of the system have shifted. In all the changes to which you may be invited, remember that time and habit are at least as necessary to fix the true character of governments, as of other human institutions; that experience is the surest standard, by which to test the real tendency of the existing constitution of a country; and remember, especially, that, for the efficient management of our common interests, in a country so extensive as ours, a government of as much passion as is consistent with the perfect security of liberty is indispensable. Liberty itself will find in such a government, with powers properly distributed and adjusted, its surest guardian. It is, indeed, little else than a name, where the government is too feeble to withstand the enterprises of faction, to confine each member of the society within the limits prescribed by the laws, and to maintain all in the secure and tranquil enjoyment of the rights of person and property.
It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution, in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. Let there be no change by usurpation (the Supreme Court would do well to pay attention); for, though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.
Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. Any man who works to undermine these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens, can never claim to be a patriot or an American, and has no place in this great nation. And let us be careful to think that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend of America, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?
Therefore, let us not allow America to fall to those who believe that the Constitution must be “adapted” to modern circumstances, or that God is may be dismissed since people are naturally good and “enlightened” through science. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Let us continue to place our trust in God and religion for goodness and morality, trust in tradition for our safety, and trust in the just authority of our Constitution for our true freedom and liberty.
This, my friends, is the American way.
Your a real comedian.
 
Learn to space your text so it isn't as visually intimidating.

I refuse to even try slogging through that brick.

What I gather from the responses is that you are tired of the USA.

Well, you are in luck!

Canada awaits you.

:2wave:
 
Learn to space your text so it isn't as visually intimidating.

I refuse to even try slogging through that brick.

What I gather from the responses is that you are tired of the USA.

Well, you are in luck!

Canada awaits you.

:2wave:

I concur. ;]
 
Learn to space your text so it isn't as visually intimidating.

I refuse to even try slogging through that brick.

What I gather from the responses is that you are tired of the USA.

Well, you are in luck!

Canada awaits you.

:2wave:

He didn't say anything about Canada. This was very hard to understand, but I think he's a strict constructionist who happens to want a theocracy in the US. Maybe instead of Canada, he should try Iran?
 
But the Constitution which at any time exists

I stopped reading when I finally recognized the plagiarism of George Washington‘s farewell address. Put quotes around stuff like that, and say where it comes from.
 
I tried to read the big block on post number 1. I might have gotted 75% down. But then I got lost somewhere... When I got lost I remembered the words country, liberty, and the word constitution.
 
None other than Thomas Jefferson warned against constitution-worship:

Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the Covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, institutions must advance also, to keep pace with the times We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.
-- Thomas Jefferson, on reform of the Virginia Constitution

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None other than Thomas Jefferson warned against constitution-worship:


-- Thomas Jefferson, on reform of the Virginia Constitution

Some New Year's Bubbles:
YouTube - Bubbles
Another lame attempt to use a quote out of context. Jefferson never once promote going outside the bounds of legal change to bend the Constitution into ambiguous interpretations.

"On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." --Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:449
 
I assume that we, as Americans, share a common value for liberty and freedom, and everything I wish to say goes toward the preservation of those values.
To the efficacy and permanency of our Union, a Government for the whole is indispensable. Addressing the party system which has developed in our nation, no alliances, however strict, between the parts can be an adequate substitute; they must inevitably experience the infractions and interruptions, which all alliances in all times have experienced. Knowing this, our forefathers wrote up a Constitution of Government better calculated than any in history. Respect for its authority, compliance with its laws, acquiescence in its measures, are duties enjoined by the fundamental maxims of true Liberty. The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their Constitutions of Government. But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish Government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established Government.
Towards the preservation of your government, and the permanency of our nation, it is not only necessary to obey the Constitution, but to refrain from taking innovative, “creative liberties” with its provisions for revision, what many call “loose construction”. To make, in the forms of the constitution, alterations, which will impair the workings of the system, and thus to undermine what cannot be directly overthrown, is a direct assault against the government. We have seen this in the way that the checks and balances of the system have shifted. In all the changes to which you may be invited, remember that time and habit are at least as necessary to fix the true character of governments, as of other human institutions; that experience is the surest standard, by which to test the real tendency of the existing constitution of a country; and remember, especially, that, for the efficient management of our common interests, in a country so extensive as ours, a government of as much passion as is consistent with the perfect security of liberty is indispensable. Liberty itself will find in such a government, with powers properly distributed and adjusted, its surest guardian. It is, indeed, little else than a name, where the government is too feeble to withstand the enterprises of faction, to confine each member of the society within the limits prescribed by the laws, and to maintain all in the secure and tranquil enjoyment of the rights of person and property.
It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution, in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. Let there be no change by usurpation (the Supreme Court would do well to pay attention); for, though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.
Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. Any man who works to undermine these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens, can never claim to be a patriot or an American, and has no place in this great nation. And let us be careful to think that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend of America, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?
Therefore, let us not allow America to fall to those who believe that the Constitution must be “adapted” to modern circumstances, or that God is may be dismissed since people are naturally good and “enlightened” through science. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Let us continue to place our trust in God and religion for goodness and morality, trust in tradition for our safety, and trust in the just authority of our Constitution for our true freedom and liberty.
This, my friends, is the American way.
You need to source this. I haven't looked this up, but it looks a lot like George Washington.
 
"......and trust in the just authority of our Constitution for our true freedom and liberty.

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And the Killer:


In 1848, Carl Marx, at the age of 30, entered a competition sponsored by the International Socialist Union of Paris, France. His submission was the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto, which won. The rest, as they say, is history.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. Property tax paid annually prevents the outright ownership of property, because if property can be confiscated for taxes owed, it can never truly be owned. The application of our rents of land (property taxes) are used for public purposes as envisioned by Karl Marx.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. The income tax was imposed upon the people briefly after the War Between The Southern States and The dictatorial Federal Government. In 1895, The US Supreme Court abolished it with the words, "The income tax is indeed a direct tax and therefore unconstitutional". The Court understood that, "No capitation, or other direct Tax shall be laid,..." Art. 1, Sec. 9, of the US Constitution, means exactly what it says. However, in 1913 there were enough socialist in Congress to again foist the income tax upon the people with the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. The income tax is not designed just to raise taxes, which could be accomplished very easily with a national sales tax. Instead, its goal is to punish achievement, invade privacy, and control the people through fear and intimidation from the most Gestapo-like arm of our government, the I.R.S.

3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. Our inheritance tax puts all rights of inheritance in jeopardy. Property tax, income tax, and inheritance tax, should be abolished because they are all direct taxes and they all violate our God-given property rights. They could be replaced with indirect taxes like sales tax, tobacco tax, alcohol tax, or gasoline tax. Some advantages of indirect taxes are:

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