No idea...
In my opinion....neither.
Which restroom would androgynous transgendered people use? What if you think they are one gender/sex, and get it wrong?
My understanding is that androgynous people have male and female characteristics... not anatomy, or lack of anatomy.
That is the point. In reality, we judge people based on their appearances, those generally nonsexual feminine or masculine characteristics, body types, hips, hair, cheek bones, chest size, clothing, makeup, etc., things that indicate a specific gender. It would be rather easy for someone to not know truly which restroom or changing room or locker room such a person belonged to because they could easily go in either based on how they are dressed, present themselves. Most would be too busy questioning their own judgement to challenge.
I would say that if somebody has had a sex change operation or if you can't tell if they are a man who now looks like a woman it wouldn't matter.
The guy in this thread though, big hairy chested guy?... use the men's room.
I bet you would if one walked into the woman's changing rooms though... right?
Last thing I would assume is that they are a sexual predator... not being one does not mean they are welcome in a female changing room though.
The room is owned by the business, not women in general. So if the business says they are welcome in whichever they identify as, that is up to the business. And women using that room can either accept that or find somewhere else to change or workout if they don't like the policy.
Yep... understood. As long as they are aware of the policy...
She was made aware of it. Right after that, if she had wanted to cancel her membership, she should have been allowed to do so with no hassle, even getting the money back for that month, particularly if it wasn't info given to her when she joined.
Not prior to seeing a man come into and change in the locker room she wasn't...
Did she slander the MAN that was caught using the Womens dressing room ? How did she slander him ??
And expecting to feel safe, secure in a dressing room set up for your gender has nothing to do with bigotry. I thought people on the left were pro-women.
The Transgender community is trying to bully its way into relevance and or using guilt to force people into compliance and I guarantee, that's going to backfire. Calling people " bigots " and other hateful insults doesn't increase sympathy or awareness.
On the contrary. It instills a sense of contempt for a group of people who are in the extreme minority, which the Transgender community is. You may think your making progress, but the reality is your breeding contempt and complacency.
There was nothing " hateful " about what she did, but you have no problem throwing slanderous terms of our own to try and minimize her right to feel safe and secure in a WOMENS dressing room. That overt hypocrisy doesn't go unnoticed.
You will never get true equality and respect through bullying and calling people " bigots " and hateful. What you WILL do is create a new level of contempt that never existed before and it will based on the fact that the Transgender agenda involves pro-active insults and accusations that amount to bullying.
This cracks me up!
I read a couple articles on this and Planet Fitness did the right thing. After the lady was notified of the companies policy, not only from the front desk but from headquarters she had two choices. Stop going or accept the policy. To continue to complain and demand special treatment and to claim there's a danger and to approach other members for the next four days is what got her membership pulled and rightfully so. I agree she made a complete ass of herself and her membership being pulled was of her own actions.
She stated " I don't care what you are; I don't care if you're gay lesbian, transgender or transvestite. I am uncomfortable with you as a male in my locker room, in my restroom."
so basically she wanted it to be her way or no way, her personal subjective comfortably level needed to be the policy in her eyes. Well the fact is its not "HER" locker room, Its planet fitness's locker room.
EDIT: just read another article claiming she was asked to stop approaching people and discussing the transgender member (which others complained her activities), she would not agree so that was the final straw. :shrug:
Pre-op Trans need to be self aware and considerate of others, post op trans should be treated as the gender they are.
That's funny since I'm an independent who clearly has many right leanings. She made a huge ass of herself for how bigoted she is and how much she complained over nothing. She didn't complain that there are unauthorized men in the locker room she tried to insist that this person was dangerous with no evidence of such hateful claims. That makes her an ass. This person did nothing to her, her situation is created by her own ignorance or prejudices.Not wanting men in the women's locker room is "making an ass of herself"? Only in liberal lala land. Or, Layla land, in this case. :roll:
This lady was setting them up to get sued. I would have banned her too.
umm no the guy thinking he has the right to go into a womens bathroom is what is screwed up. the fact that you fail to address this women's concern and right to be upset with having a man in her locker room is what is sad.
this women should sue. the gym failed to provide a safe and protective environment for women by allowing men to enter the women's locker room.
I am right in the middle....
The complaining woman had a point. A "transgendered" person is not a cross dresser. If this individual was as she describes, the intent of fair access has been breached. What is to stop anyone from donning bra and pantyhose and getting a cheap thrill. The gym needs a better policy on what constitutes access to the women's change room, or perhaps investigate a third change room if that demographic is so important to them.
On the other hand, she is an asshole. You do not go behind people's backs and campaign to get them tossed out, that's junior high crap. And if, as the story alludes, they received complaints about her they were right to take action, AFTER having addressed her about the issue.
Transgendered is the new issue, and it raises numerous issues. It takes a long time, I understand, to make the transition, surgery etc. Where do they go in the meantime and how should business and government react? This business reacted badly and left the impression that transgendered have more say than regular people, and that any old dude can dress up and join as a woman.
Her comments were not hateful nor bigoted. She is complaining that there is a man in the woman's locker room. I don't care what he "feels" his gender is. He is free to feel that he is a woman, dress like a woman and do whatever he wants that is legal.... as a woman. A man should not be allowed in the woman's locker room though. Calling her a bigot is just ignorant and disrespectful...
I would not want a woman that feels like a man in the men's locker room either. I want to be able to chill out. A woman taking her shirt off and showing her breasts would not be relaxing... after a workout I want to chill in the sauna or shower and have some cave time. Last thing a man wants during cave time is a woman around. Well, women want to chill without men around and feel safe and secure being naked, changing, whatever.
I would not stand by if a boy felt like a girl and used my daughters locer room for a second. Ignorant fools and PC idiots could label me a bigot all they like but that boy will not be in with my girls. I will contact the school, the board, the district, the media. I would stand in front of the girls room and make it clear that he is not allowed in as well.
I would have called the police and cancelled my membership.
How am I to know this is a transgender and not a pervert pretending to be? Put in a family bathroom or something, but don't make me worry about my safety. Transgenders don't come with certificate.
That's funny since I'm an independent who clearly has many right leanings. She made a huge ass of herself for how bigoted she is and how much she complained over nothing. She didn't complain that there are unauthorized men in the locker room she tried to insist that this person was dangerous with no evidence of such hateful claims. That makes her an ass. This person did nothing to her, her situation is created by her own ignorance or prejudices.
Not good enough. Most facilities have two choices, men or women. They have to use one. You don't get to exclude them from public facilities, especially when those facilities are owned by businesses that have policies that say people can use whatever facility they wish or sincerely identify as.
Oh well. And we don't know if there wasn't information about this. I don't tell every person who enters our dressing rooms or restrooms that we allow anyone to use either one. Corporate policy.
Yes she slandered him because she said his presence makes it unsafe. She's not a bigot because she wants to feel safe she is a bigot because she thinks the presence of a transgender makes it unsafe. I'm a woman and nothing in this story would make me question my safety if I was a member there.. So there was no insult she did indeed act like a bigot, if she finds that insulting simply don't act that way. Equality is progress and those that are bothered by it will just have to figure it out just like with woman and minorities before this issue. So there is no "bullying" going on and those that have contempt over equality policies are the ones with the issue.
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