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PetroChina buys entire Alberta oilsands project

To be fair, there is some truth to what UtahBill is saying here. As a driver of our nations roads, there seems to be some stretches of roadway that are so bad that you can barely drive on them without incurring alignment damage. But, yet other stretches that it seems as soon as they are completed, they are milled again and redone.

There is an enormous amount of this nations infrastructure that is in absolute emergency need of updating. Power, Sewer, Roads, Buildings, Bridges....etc...

The point where there is conflict, and we should all be spitting mad at this is that monies that have been extracted from our taxes for these types of things has been effectively stolen into the general funds that were used for other social programs that have nothing to do with infrastructure, and more to do with endless buying of votes.

Now we are in a pickle, and they want more.


j-mac
 
we already have I HATE OBAMA threads, this one is not about that....
 

Really??? Perhaps you can point out where I called you an idiot. Feel free to quote.

The rest of your post goes off on such an off-topic tangent, that I won't bother responding.
 
I spent more than a few years in the nuclear industry....spent fuel is currently being stored locally, all over the place....
but you would have to go to considerable effort for it to harm you. You would have to shoot all the gaurds, break into the right places, bypass all safety and security features, and then either dive to the bottom of a pool or break open some very sturdy casks....
Not gonna happen....
Low level waste is a non-issue, you get more radiation from natural sources than working around that stuff. Mid level is a bigger issue, it has to be processed to become low level where possible, but still doable...
Energy Solutions processes and stores low level wastes in Utah, and it is a political hot button for those who know nothing about radiation and contamination isues. I am not aware of ES dealing with any spent fuel in the USA....
 
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Your argument is rediculous. I never claimed that Energy solutions could handle ALL of the nuclear material, nor did i say that they were the only company out there that does (because they are not).

I suppose a better question would be, if we CAN"T handle the spent nuclear material, where is it being stored improperly right now?? Who's basement is it currently in? The nuclear power industry is the only energy industry that takes care of its own waste.

As far as nuclear waste being deadly, only 3 to 7% of the nuclear waste produced is of the level high enough to be considered lethal, and that accounts for about 8% of the volume of all nuclear waste. And as long as there is nuclear waste that needs disposal, there will be companies around to do it. Whether its energy solutions or not, i cant say because i cant see the future.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/education/wast.htm
 
It is your contention that spent nuclear fuel is low level waste? :shock:
 
UtahBill said:
Energy Solutions processes and stores low level wastes in Utah, and it is a political hot button for those who know nothing about radiation and contamination isues. I am not aware of ES dealing with any spent fuel in the USA....
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They do a lot more than just low level waste in Utah. But again, they are just ONE company providing these services.

EnergySolutions | What We Do
 
Gill said:
Really??? Perhaps you can point out where I called you an idiot. Feel free to quote.

The rest of your post goes off on such an off-topic tangent, that I won't bother responding.
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you won't bother becuase you can't....if you have any education, training, experience to give you credibility, say so. Until then, you are just a faint odor in the wind....

Quoting statistics is fine, but explain them if you can. Spent fuel at 62,000 metric tons seems like a lot, but compare it to the amount of ash (spent coal) from coal fired plants and use volume as well as weight, and you get a bit more info. Spent nuclear fuel is considerably less volume than ash. Ash isn't being contained, or properly stored anywhere, but people don't seem to be afraid of it.
 

I won't because I won't. Feel free to bloviate about off topics all you want, but don't expect me to follow.

You do fine when you discuss something you obviously know about like nuclear issues. My advice is to stay away from topics you obviously know nothing about because you look silly when you start making things up trying to score points.
 

Ah. A strawman is presented in lieu of answers that are not known, despite the claims made. Shocking.

 
Not gonna happen over the next 10,000 years?

Were there not some issues with stored spent fuel at Fukushima?

What happens to these spent fuel pools if, no one is shot, no break-in is attempted, and no safety features are bypassed -- but the power simply goes out (and the redundant systems fail, as they did at Fukushima)?
 


That's interesting Bill. Years ago when I drove dump trucks for a living, we used to have a contract with BG&E to pick up, and transport to the quarry fly ash from the local electric plant. It was taken to the quarry, and basically buried much like a dump would take care of waste. What are the concerns of that process?

j-mac
 
UtahBill said:
we already have I HATE OBAMA threads, this one is not about that....
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China buying Canadas oil because Obama wouldnt approve a pipeline is NOT about Obama???
 
Karl said:
It is your contention that spent nuclear fuel is low level waste? :shock:
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never said that, how could you possibly infer that? spent fuel is deadly, death by internal sunburn, cooked internal organs....
 
Dpetty said:
China buying Canadas oil because Obama wouldnt approve a pipeline is NOT about Obama???
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Obama is the only one against it? He has the power by himself to kill it? He can veto, but congress can override...
 
Karl said:
Ah. A strawman is presented in lieu of answers that are not known, despite the claims made. Shocking.
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you sure love your strawmen...

Why dont you tell me how much spent nuclear fuel energy solutions is currently handeling, then explain why that even matters to the context of this argument?
 
UtahBill said:
Obama is the only one against it? He has the power by himself to kill it? He can veto, but congress can override...
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But Obama didnt fight for it or endorse it so that point is moot.
 
you have links to spent fuel issues at Fukushima? ever seen a spent fuel pool? they don't have a drain system, as they are not meant to ever be drained....
 
again, address that to yourself....
what are the topics you know something about? it isn't nuclear, so why are you here? what did I make up?
 
Gill said:
Really??? Perhaps you can point out where I called you an idiot. Feel free to quote.

The rest of your post goes off on such an off-topic tangent, that I won't bother responding.
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my wording was careful, I did not actually call you an idiot, just led you down the path where you decided to infer that you are included in that category...:2razz:
 
Dpetty said:
China buying Canadas oil because Obama wouldnt approve a pipeline is NOT about Obama???
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just for giggles, I reread the OP, Obama isn't even mentioned...
 
UtahBill said:
never said that, how could you possibly infer that? [...]
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By mentioning it in a post about spent nuclear fuel, which others did not understand (I understood, but my focus group was not as... um... focused).
 
UtahBill said:
just for giggles, I reread the OP, Obama isn't even mentioned...
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So what. We obviously arent limited to strictly what was written in the OP.
 
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