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When people with partisan views want to :spin: a yarn to support a specific narrative, they really go all out! A closer look at the leaked CBP report puts things a little more in focus:
In other words, there's NO concrete evidence to support Gov. Perry's accusation that members from the Syrian/Iraqi/Iranian terrorist group ISIS/ISIL are entering the U.S. via the U.S./Mexico border.
While Rick Perry is full of **** most of the time, THIS time he makes a valid point (Valid in that ISIS COULD or maybe even has entered the country). How do we know there hasn't been? I mean if we can't stop THOUSANDS from entereing the U.S. illegally how do we know NONE of them are ISIS or for that matter any other terrorist, cartel, drug runner group?
When people with partisan views want to :spin: a yarn to support a specific narrative, they really go all out! A closer look at the leaked CBP report puts things a little more in focus:
In other words, there's NO concrete evidence to support Gov. Perry's accusation that members from the Syrian/Iraqi/Iranian terrorist group ISIS/ISIL are entering the U.S. via the U.S./Mexico border.
Indeed. Since only a portion of the actual number of illegals are detained and many are not even vetted or processed, we have no clear picture of who is what.
Not they're job. However, in a broader scope as part of defensive strategy, DoD is kept abreast of threats to the U.S. both foreign and domestic via our intelligence agencies, i.e., FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS which CBP is under. (See CBP's Organization chart; and for those who doubt the connection between CBP, DHS and DoD, see DHS' Organization chart.)
IIRC most of them over-stayed their visas. I believe OS are responsible for about 40% of the illegal population.And we may not know for years if they entered. Al-Qaeda proved one thing with the 9/11 attacks and that is they are VERY patient and will wait years to attack when they get to a place.
IIRC most of them over-stayed their visas. I believe OS are responsible for about 40% of the illegal population.
These are groups known to be in the US prior to 2007.
I question maps like that though. I would have to see how they determined they were terrorist groups. IF they are using watch list data that is incredibly inaccurate because lost of groups are on watch lists, however, haven't proven to be terrorist cells. Also, if they are considering groups to consist of people as far down to 3 people, that can skew data as well. I'm well aware that it only took 12, but I wouldn't take the map data and them militerize the U.S. over it is all I'm saying.
Small groups or a lone wolf can cause a lot of havoc.
We should heed their warnings.
FBI warns police to be on lookout for ISIS threats in US | Mail Online
You are welcome to argue that. But it's still equivocation.
As I noted before one could make the case in much the same way as you have above that al Qaeda is a tea drinking social club
But calling aQ a tea society is stupid, useless, and wrong.
It's also equivocation.
Equivocation is an effective seducer of netizens who are motivated to believe.
As an fyi for everyone
Pretty much any time you have to resort to citing a dictionary to show that two different things are actually the same, you're using equivocation.
My office has politics, but we're not politicians.
The DoD is not a politician. [What a wierd-ass thing to have to say]
It's an empty rhetorical device to segue into any bat**** **** without having to take ownership of saying something bat****--weasel words. Politicians do that crap all the time--words loaded with connotation but empty of denotation. It's a low-risk easy way to get people fired up.
Possible don't mean squat.
A zillion and one things are possible.
We cannot effectively plan for all possibilities--it'd be a stupid waste.
Given that resources in the real world are limited, we have to plan for what is probable.
Read more: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border | TheHill
Rick Perry recently stated that ISIS might have entered the US through the Mexican border.... Well... It seems to just be more bull**** out of Perry's mouth [/FONT][/COLOR]
As I said before, I recognize the border situation is unacceptable and I don't condone just "blowing it off". I was just saying we have to be careful also when evaluating such data so that people don't freak out and then give the federal government more "Patriot Act" type powers in response to fear is all. Someone could evaluate that map and go "OMG the terrorists are here, we need to give the Federal Government MORE power to act NOW!!!" which would be totally overblown.
We need to remain diligent no matter what, but we need to temper that with reason as well.
Unless you're going to say that the spokesman is speaking on his own behalf about he himself has determined, then the charge actually is that the DOD is a politician.So...Dod official = politician -- like al Qaeda = tea drinking social club?
Is that your final answer?
Mmmmkay...
And people believed that nonsense?
Wow.
It's a catch 22 here IMO. If the DoD can monitor people to KNOW they are not from ISIS, then they are intentially letting illegals into this country which should be a felony. If they can't monitor illegals coming into the country, then they cannot confirm that ISIS or any other terrorist, cartel, drug runner, etc. has entered the country which would make Perry's comments valid. Well valid in the sense we don't know if ISIS has entered or not.
Unless you're going to say that the spokesman is speaking on his own behalf about he himself has determined, then the charge actually is that the DOD is a politician.
For all I know, Stevie Wonder hasn't seen any evidence of buildings coming down on 9/11/2001. It is such a week expression: seen no evidence.
And people believed that nonsense?
Wow.
HTF would the DOD know anything about that?
Remember this is the same bunch that unsuccessfully raided camps in Syria looking for hostages on BAD intelligence.
Leaked CBP Report Shows Entire World Exploiting Open US Border
People from 75 different countries have been captured at the border. ISIS has members from all over the world.
Since they don't catch but a small percentage, who knows who's here.
I think on this subject, i'll take Perry's word over the Pentagon.
I wouldn't be surprised either if ISIS has a cell or 2 in the US already.
So the Pentagon has checked and identified every individual that has crossed the border, including those that made it through without any detention or border patrol interaction?
Since the border is absolutely NOT secure, it's a perfectly logical conclusion. Glad you're not in charge of US security. I just hope Homeland Security is smarter than you.
When Rear Adm. John Kirby shows us proof, I'll believe him.
Until then the Pentagon can start building a fence on the border while they watch for ISIS members.
ISIS is overrated. The media is sensationalizing them. They're mostly rag tag fanatic amateurs that are making gains on weakened and disfunctional governments.
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