If I had to count on one or the other to know things about international affairs, I'd go with the DoD over Perry.
If I had to count on one or the other to not blow hype, I'd go with the DoD over Perry.
Sure the DoD makes mistakes.
But the DoD admits mistakes, holds people accountable for mistakes, and actively attempts to prevent the same mistakes from being made again.
I can't think of any politician who does the same.
Why in the hell would ISIS members need to pose as Hispanic, payoff Mexican criminal organizations, and sneak across hundreds of miles of desert wasteland to get here via our southern border when easily hundreds of them hold British Passports and could fly here first class if they wanted??
Maybe because their passports would most likely be red-flagged?
Read more: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border | TheHill
Rick Perry recently stated that ISIS might have entered the US through the Mexican border.... Well... It seems to just be more bull**** out of Perry's mouth [/FONT][/COLOR]
Not necessarily. These people are not idiots. If they want to hit us, they are not going to take a British citizen and repatriate him to ISIS controlled areas prior to sending them here. They would just send those friendly to their cause directly from Britain to here. Or for that matter, being they have able to successfully recruit some Americans, why even send someone over. The point being is that given all the options available to ISIS, the notion that they would pose a bunch of middle easterners as Mexicans, pay off Mexican criminal organizations, and march across the desert to get here is absurd.
Any proof that there are any ISIS people here via the Mexican border? Again, no.How many Pentagon personel are actually on the ground, at the border?
How many Pentagon personel are actually on the ground, at the border?
Possible don't mean squat.I think it's very possible they might already be here - via our open Southern border!
How many Pentagon personel are actually on the ground, at the border?
TheDemSocialist said:The Defense Department on Friday pushed back against Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s (R) claim that fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) might have entered the United States across its southern border.Perry, who is weighing another run for the president in 2016, made the assertion Thursday during a speech at the conservative Heritage Foundation.
"There's the obvious great concern that, because of the condition of the border from the standpoint of it not being secure, and us not knowing who is penetrating across, that individuals from ISIS or other terrorist states could be [crossing]," he said. "There's a very real possibility that they may have already used that [strategy]."
But the Pentagon’s top spokesman, Rear Adm. John Kirby, shot down that allegation.
“I've seen no indication that they are coming across the border with Mexico. We have no information that leads us to believe that,” he said on CNN’s "New Day."
Kirby said Pentagon leaders know the terrorist group does have “aspirations to hit western targets” and that the threat is something “we’ve got to take seriously, and we have to be ready for it.”
Rick Perry recently stated that ISIS might have entered the US through the Mexican border.... Well... It seems to just be more bull**** out of Perry's mouth
Leaked CBP Report Shows Entire World Exploiting Open US Border
People from 75 different countries have been captured at the border. ISIS has members from all over the world.
Since they don't catch but a small percentage, who knows who's here.
The report reveals the apprehension numbers ranging from 2010 through July 2014. It shows that most of the human smuggling from Syria and Albania into the U.S. comes through Central America. The report also indicates the routes individuals from North Africa and the Middle East take into the European Union, either to illegally migrate there or as a possible stop in their journey to the United States. The data are broken down further into the specific U.S. border sectors where the apprehensions and contact occurred.
Possible don't mean squat.
A zillion and one things are possible.
We cannot effectively plan for all possibilities--it'd be a stupid waste.
Given that resources in the real world are limited, we have to plan for what is probable.
Any proof that there are any ISIS people here via the Mexican border? Again, no.
When people with partisan views want to :spin: a yarn to support a specific narrative, they really go all out! A closer look at the leaked CBP report puts things a little more in focus:
In other words, there's NO concrete evidence to support Gov. Perry's accusation that members from the Syrian/Iraqi/Iranian terrorist group ISIS/ISIL are entering the U.S. via the U.S./Mexico border.
Perry never said they already crossed, he said they could easily cross and be operating here. Now that is a possibility and considering the length of time the CBP has been preoccupied babysitting, its certainly easier. Its a valid concern. Do you believe that ISIS doesn't have the funding, planning or ambition to make the attempt?
We know this, because Pentagon personel are patrolling the border?
Any proof that they are ISIS members? As the Pentagon said: "“I've seen no indication that they are coming across the border with Mexico. We have no information that leads us to believe that." Or are we just going to go with the argument that "well ISIS has members all over the world, so they could be". That augment is not evidence.
Why in the hell would ISIS members need to pose as Hispanic, payoff Mexican criminal organizations, and sneak across hundreds of miles of desert wasteland to get here via our southern border when easily hundreds of them hold British Passports and could fly here first class if they wanted?
Bottom line here is I find it interesting that Pentagon released this as the official statement when the comments from Secretary Hagel and General Dempsey have talked up the threat level of this group as well as their motivations and sophistication. Again, goes back to simply asking how can the Pentagon definitively know that? Are they tracking every person crossing the border? Does the intelligence account for every member of ISIS?
How can the Pentagon know that they have no evidence of ISIS crossing into the US?
They would ask their personnel tasked with following ISIS I suppose.
How would you set about ascertaining the knowledge that your organization has?
My office has politics, but we're not politicians.
The DoD is not a politician. [What a wierd-ass thing to have to say]
No, simply pointing out that he is a press secretary. He's handed the talking points by Pentagon leadership. This set of talking points was likely directed to questions that would likely to arise from Perry's statement. You don't think the Pentagon is politics free....do you?
Not necessarily. These people are not idiots. If they want to hit us, they are not going to take a British citizen and repatriate him to ISIS controlled areas prior to sending them here. They would just send those friendly to their cause directly from Britain to here.
How many Pentagon personel are actually on the ground, at the border?
We know this, because Pentagon personel are patrolling the border?
Pentagon personnel tend to be civilians and their bosses are Obama's political appointments.
Now the uniform part of the military have been on the border and they see things differently than the Obama administration.
Top General Says Mexico Border Security Now ‘Existential’ Threat to U.S.
>" A top United States general in charge of protecting the southern border says he’s been unable to combat the steady flow of illegal drugs, weapons and people from Central America, and is looking to Congress for urgent help.
Marine Corps Gen. John Kelly, commander of U.S. Southern Command, has asked Congress this year for more money, drones and ships for his mission – a request unlikely to be met. Since October, an influx of nearly 100,000 migrants has made the dangerous journey north from Latin America to the United States border. Most are children, and three-quarters of the unaccompanied minors have traveled thousands of miles from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.
“In comparison to other global threats, the near collapse of societies in the hemisphere with the associated drug and [undocumented immigrant] flow are frequently viewed to be of low importance,” Kelly told Defense One. “Many argue these threats are not existential and do not challenge our national security. I disagree.”
In spring hearings before the Senate and House Armed Services Committees, Kelly said that budgets cuts are “severely degrading” the military’s ability to defend southern approaches to the U.S border. Last year, he said, his task force was unable to act on nearly 75 percent of illicit trafficking events. “I simply sit and watch it go by,” he said. But the potential threats are even greater. Kelly warned that neglect has created vulnerabilities that can be exploited by terrorist groups, describing a “crime-terror convergence” already seen in Lebanese Hezbollah’s involvement in the region..."<
Top General Says Mexico Border Security Now
You are welcome to argue that. But it's still equivocation.I would argue those at the top of the DoD food-chain are, in fact, politicians.
politician: definition of politician in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)
Particularly in an organization structured like this :
US Deparment of Defense Organization Charts
But the Pentagon’s top spokesman, Rear Adm. John Kirby, shot down that allegation.
“I've seen no indication that they are coming across the border with Mexico. We have no information that leads us to believe that,” he said on CNN’s "New Day."
Q: Are you concerned that Qatar had supported terrorist groups?
ADM. KIRBY: I've seen those reports. And if the reports are true, absolutely, it's concerning.
http://www.defense.gov/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=5495
However, Qatar’s monitoring of private individuals’ and charitable associations’ contributions to foreign entities remained inconsistent. Qatari-based terrorist fundraisers, whether acting as individuals or as representatives of other groups, were a significant terrorist financing risk and may have supported terrorist groups in countries such as Syria. The ascension of the new Emir, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani did not result in any political changes that would affect the Government of Qatar’s ability to counter terrorism.
Country Reports on Terrorism 2013 Middle East and North Africa Overview
I wasn't aware that anyone from the DoD was actually guarding the border. Does the DoD have any evidence of corn prices going up or even unemployment going down? I'd like to hear the DoD's observations on all aspects of government action/inaction to see what they do and do not have evidence.
Read more: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border | TheHill
Rick Perry recently stated that ISIS might have entered the US through the Mexican border.... Well... It seems to just be more bull**** out of Perry's mouth [/FONT][/COLOR]
I wasn't aware that anyone from the DoD was actually guarding the border. Does the DoD have any evidence of corn prices going up or even unemployment going down? I'd like to hear the DoD's observations on all aspects of government action/inaction to see what they do and do not have evidence.
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