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OH MY GOD they had access to their own documents!and sensitive military and U.S. intelligence documents.
Those dastardly government spys are SURFING THE WEB, let's throw them ALL in jail!But the organization also gleaned data from "open source Internet monitoring." In other words, they surfed the Web."
OMG!...A report!...Those bastards!...A Defense document shows that Army analysts wrote a report on the Halliburton protest and stored it in CIFA's database.
Which means there could very well be a reasonable & legitimate reason why the Pentagon considered the protest worthy of attention...That information has not been made public...It's not clear why the Pentagon considered the protest worthy of attention—
And this shouldn't raise eyebrows?...The article clearly doen't not state that this is the only reason...they are just speculating...although organizer Parkin had previously been arrested while demonstrating at ExxonMobil headquarters (the charges were dropped).
There's that word again..."questions"...But there are now questions about whether CIFA exceeded its authority and conducted unauthorized spying on innocent people and organizations.
"May have"...Could also mean "may NOT have"...I would call this one of those "questions"...A Pentagon memo obtained by NEWSWEEK shows that the deputy Defense secretary now acknowledges that some TALON reports may have contained information on U.S. citizens and groups that never should have been retained.
"Could be"...Could've also wrote "might NOT be"...I would call this one of those "questions"...The number of reports with names of U.S. persons could be in the thousands, says a senior Pentagon official who asked not be named because of the sensitivity of the subject.
Funny how the details are classified, but NBC obtained a compilation of reports...It isn't clear how many groups and individuals were snagged by CIFA's dragnet. Details about the program, including its size and budget, are classified. In December, NBC News obtained a 400-page compilation of reports that detailed a portion of TALON's surveillance efforts.
If there are credible and legitimate reasons for doing so...danarhea said:I have heard many reasons from some in this forum about how our government ought to be able to spy on Americans right here in America, and their main vague justification has been that, groups which could possibly support terrorist activity should be spied on.
Where does it say "they have no connections whatsoever to terrorism"?...I can conclude that the article implies that they have no connections whatsoever to terrorism that we know of...once again...The pentagon has NOT released their reasons for the surveillance...Do I need to repost your own article for you?danarhea said:The January 30th issue of Newsweek debunks that spin with statements from Pentagon officials showing that they have been spying on dissidents of the Iraq war who are American citizens, are on American soil, have no connections whatsoever to terrorism, have no history whatsoever of any kind of violence, and whose only crime is to actively campaign against the activities of our government, which they view as immoral.
It's not clear why the Pentagon considered the protest worthy of attention
No they don't...They question it...danarhea said:The article also quotes some Pentagon leaders who state that what they are doing has gone too far.
The Pentagon made no such determinations public, so for you to say this is nothing more than speculation...The Pentagon may have had 1, 5, or 50 legitimate concerns that are not public...I highly doubt even you believe that "giving Haliburton employees free peanut butter and jelly sandwiches" was one of them...You can't be that dumb...you just can't be...danarhea said:One such group the Pentagon spied upon was an organization right here in Houston, which held a demonstration in front of Haliburton headquarters. The demonstration was not disruptive, and only consisted of giving Haliburton employees free peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in order to call attention to Haliburton's price gouging of food and other supplies in Iraq. The Pentagon made a determination that this was a threat to national security, and put the group under its TALON surveilance program.
Why be like you?danarhea said:Make no mistake.
And then the Bush attack...Almost thought you could get through a thread without one...danarhea said:Now matter what Big Brother tells you, you can damn well be certain, that if you openly disagree with Big Brother's policies, Big Brother WILL be watching you. Unitarian presidency, my ass. It sure as hell is an imperial one, no matter which euphemism of the day they use to describe it.
Identity masking software? :lol: :lol: I can't believe they bought something to do what most American teenagers do everyday for free...Arkin says a close reading of internal CIFA documents suggests the agency may be expanding its Internet monitoring, and wants to be as surreptitious as possible. CIFA has contracted to buy "identity masking" software that would allow the agency to create phony Web identities and let them appear to be located in foreign countries, according to a copy of the contract with Computer Sciences Corp. (The firm declined to comment.)
I was thinking the very same thing when I read that...scottyz said:Identity masking software? :lol: :lol: I can't believe they bought something to do what most American teenagers do everyday for free...
cnredd said:I was thinking the very same thing when I read that...
I also find it asinine that people have a problem with the Government using surveillance on Americans when there is plenty of software out there that does the very same thing without restrictions...
Because his aim is to personally attack the messenger instead of the message. He must not know what TALON is. Here is something in TALON. In short, our government is now using the military, in addition to the NSA, to spy on those who disagree with administration policy.aps said:If someone finds that a poster is full of BS, I wonder why they take such care in dissecting almost every sentence (although it might be every sentence) of the post and discrediting it. If it's so NOT credible, why give it that much attention? Hmmmmmmm :thinking
He did not attack you in any way whatsosever, dan. He called you no names. He didn;t insult your intelligence, nothing. He discreditied the post and the assertions within. No need to get your feelings hurt.danarhea said:Because his aim is to personally attack the messenger instead of the message.
KCConservative said:He did not attack you in any way whatsosever, dan. He called you no names. He didn;t insult your intelligence, nothing. He discreditied the post and the assertions within. No need to get your feelings hurt.
Perhaps you're right about that. I have no idea whether his feelings were hurt. I should have said, "Stop lying, dana. Redd didn't attack you."aps said:How does saying, "Because his aim is to personally attack the messenger instead of the message" somehow equal someone's feelings getting hurt?
I have been attacked by multiple posters and it doesn't hurt my feelings. Somehow I doubt that it hurt danarhea's feelings. If he was truly hurt, he would stop posting or stop initiating posts. JMO
KidRocks said:Anyone else notice mthe striking similarities between the Bush administration and the old style USSR Communist Party? It's like they are borrowing a page from the KGB playbook. The KGB used to spy on their own people all the time all in the name of homeland security too, remember?
The KGB Communist Party would do anything to hold on to power much like the President Bush's Republican Party of today and very much like Saddams old Republican-Guard.
Yes boys and girls, the Bush Regime has tasted power, thus his Republican Party has used 9/11 to the hilt to hold on to power come 2006, 2008 and only God knows how long they will try to usurp that power or what means they will use to hold on to that power.
President Bush is not going to play by the rules anymore, he doesn't have to, 9/11 tells him so and he is armed with the "Patriot-Act".
Beware America... Wake up America!
Got a link?KCConservative said:Taken straight from the Michael Moore webpage. Sounds like KidRocks has something to hide.
KCConservative said:Perhaps you're right about that. I have no idea whether his feelings were hurt. I should have said, "Stop lying, dana. Redd didn't attack you."
A link to KidRocks and what he is hiding? Dunno. Ask him.scottyz said:Got a link?
Now if you were only "right."aps said:It's about time you acknowledged that I am right!
KCConservative said:Taken straight from the Michael Moore webpage. Sounds like KidRocks has something to hide.
KidRocks said:Anyone else notice mthe striking similarities between the Bush administration and the old style USSR Communist Party? It's like they are borrowing a page from the KGB playbook. The KGB used to spy on their own people all the time all in the name of homeland security too, remember?
The KGB Communist Party would do anything to hold on to power much like the President Bush's Republican Party of today and very much like Saddams old Republican-Guard.
Yes boys and girls, the Bush Regime has tasted power, thus his Republican Party has used 9/11 to the hilt to hold on to power come 2006, 2008 and only God knows how long they will try to usurp that power or what means they will use to hold on to that power.
President Bush is not going to play by the rules anymore, he doesn't have to, 9/11 tells him so and he is armed with the "Patriot-Act".
Beware America... Wake up America!
danarhea said:Because his aim is to personally attack the messenger instead of the message.
Stinger said:Where were you attacked? All I've seen is a point by point rebuttle of the story which is a silly in it's accusations.
A link to michael moores website where it says what Kidrock said.KCConservative said:A link to KidRocks and what he is hiding? Dunno. Ask him.
aps said:If someone finds that a poster is full of BS, I wonder why they take such care in dissecting almost every sentence (although it might be every sentence) of the post and discrediting it. If it's so NOT credible, why give it that much attention? Hmmmmmmm :thinking
danarhea said:Because his aim is to personally attack the messenger instead of the message. He must not know what TALON is. Here is something in TALON. In short, our government is now using the military, in addition to the NSA, to spy on those who disagree with administration policy.
danarhea said:The demonstration was not disruptive, and only consisted of giving Haliburton employees free peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in order to call attention to Haliburton's price gouging of food and other supplies in Iraq. The Pentagon made a determination that this was a threat to national security, and put the group under its TALON surveilance program.
It's not clear why the Pentagon considered the protest worthy of attention—although organizer Parkin had previously been arrested while demonstrating at ExxonMobil headquarters (the charges were dropped).
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