Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishme

clownboy · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

SlevinKelevra said:
you just provided a link claiming the opposite.

Did the read the story and then read the legal advice from the lawyer? Throwing your **** down and running because you're asked for a receipt while leaving the store rather than just saying, "I need a cart" is almost always going to garner unwelcome attention. And the link does not contradict what I said. The only reason they were standing there was because the individual admittedly was leaving the store with a handful of groceries that weren't paid for.

SlevinKelevra · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

clownboy said:
Thank you for that wonderful advice for those who are guilty of shoplifting. I'm sure the thieves will profit greatly by it. And it's only a possible shakedown if you're a thief. If you're innocent they in all likelihood wouldn't be standing there talking with you in the first place.

From your link

Shoplifting can be based upon concealing goods within a store such as in your pockets or within bags.

so, you(r link you posted to back your claim) verifies that assumed intent can be enough to convict.
so much for the 'innocent'

Superfly · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

radcen said:
I caught that, too, and I think some are a little over confident that their lawsuit would be successful.

I noticed that, too. :lol:

blarg · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

JANFU said:
Thoughts are?
Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked—right after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

Which would you choose?

save him the trouble ill call the police

clownboy · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

SlevinKelevra said:
From your link

so, you(r link you posted to back your claim) verifies that assumed intent can be enough to convict.
so much for the 'innocent'

Read that lawyer's advice more closely. "Can be" doesn't mean will. The prosecutor still has to show intent. In any event, the story poster made the whole thing into a stew when he took the actions he did. He might as well screamed intent. He can still explain his way out of it in court. But he'd never have been hassled if he had just used his words, simple words really, "I need a cart".

US Conservative · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

radcen said:
In California you cannot take a driving course for any and all tickets. You're limited to something like 1 every 3 or 5 years. Any additional tickets in between go against your record.

Plus, while most counties allow online classes, there are still a handful of counties that are old-school hold-outs and make you take an in-person class.

Yes, so? Shouldnt repeat offenders receive more scrutiny?

What can I say? A few counties are old school than. Have you been around?

US Conservative · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

clownboy said:
Thank you for that wonderful advice for those who are guilty of shoplifting. I'm sure the thieves will profit greatly by it. And it's only a possible shakedown if you're a thief. If you're innocent they in all likelihood wouldn't be standing there talking with you in the first place.

The lefties of the forum believe helping thieves helps them. Yes, they really do.

SlevinKelevra · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

clownboy said:
Read that lawyer's advice more closely. "Can be" doesn't mean will. The prosecutor still has to show intent. In any event, the story poster made the whole thing into a stew when he took the actions he did. He might as well screamed intent. He can still explain his way out of it in court. But he'd never have been hassled if he had just used his words, simple words really, "I need a cart".

you are not being intellectually honest

I asked you

1) read your link

2) compare to the statutes I linked to

do you still think all people without intent are immune to prosecution ?

SlevinKelevra · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

US Conservative said:
Yes, so? Shouldnt repeat offenders receive more scrutiny?

What can I say? A few counties are old school than. Have you been around?

ahhh, the old "I got proven wrong. Here's my wellllllllllllllllllllllllll spinnnnnnnn"

US Conservative · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

Superfly said:
I noticed that, too. :lol:

Ive noted that you noted that. Way too many dont.

HK.227 · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

JANFU said:
Thoughts are?
Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked—right after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

The scenario would depend on what the local law says.
It could fall under the rules of amicable settlement, in which case it's a completely valid legal compromise between two private parties.
Or it could not, in which case it could conceivably be considered extortion.

radcen · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

SlevinKelevra said:
ahhh, the old "I got proven wrong. Here's my wellllllllllllllllllllllllll spinnnnnnnn"

The funny thing is, I wasn't even trying to "prove him wrong". I was merely adding some additional information.

Some people are way too thin-skinned.

rhinefire · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

Show me on video shoplifting and show me also the video of me giving back what I robbed and then shove them both up your ass. Call the cops and notify your boss I am suing your company and this store.

faithful_servant · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

SlevinKelevra said:
https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-103

Indiana Shoplifting Laws -NASP

??
a 60 second google search seems to provide at least 2 states where your claims are false.

I would suspect a lot more.
Shoplifting - FindLaw

Well in Oregon, that's not the case. Maybe other states allow it, but not here.

faithful_servant · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

clownboy said:
Is it considered shoplifting if I don't leave the premises of the store with anything in hand? - Avvo.com

My wife has worked in retail for over 30 years (all in Oregon) and the rule in every store she's ever worked in has been that it's not shoplifting until they leave the store. What she told me is that if someone stashes something on their person, until they leave the store, they can still decide to not steal it, but once they have left the store, then they have decided to steal it. Maybe other states have different laws, but I find it hard to believe (as she does as well) that you could charge someone for the crime of deciding to carry your shopping in your sock instead of a cart. My wife currently works for WM and their policy is that until someone leaves the store, you don't do so much as talk to them. You keep eyes on them 100% of the time, but you don't approach them in any way until they leave the store.

JANFU · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

clownboy said:
There is no safe harbor for the stupid. And if you're that stupid you're going to be taken advantage of by every conman you run across. No avoiding that.

But again, if you're innocent, then you're not a shoplifter and shouldn't admit to being one. That's what your day in court is for. Just like any other crime you're accused of and are innocent of. It's called life, **** happens, you deal with it appropriately.

And you're confused. I didn't say you hated capitalism, that was another poster.

Nope.

countryboy said:
Additional info notwithstanding, how about on principle? I suspect your objections are more about a hatred of capitalism than anything else. But, I could be wrong, after all, there was that one other time.

What other time?

countryboy · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

JANFU said:
What other time?

That one other time when I was wrong, of course.

LetsGoBrandon · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

JANFU said:
IP cameras and the systems to run and maintain are expensive.
Normally store focus on high value goods. Cost benefit and what is being stolen by customers. Then again, up to 70 % of theft can be internal, by employes.
Not sure about the US but up north, razor blades, brand name are pricey.
If you go to a flea market, you will see these very same blades sold for a low price.
Same with cosmetics.
Same with spices. Certain spice can be quite pricey.

Based on the theft they prevent, it's most often more expensive not to install and maintain the surveillance system.....not to mention the frivolous lawsuits they can prevent. One crook walking into a store and staging a fall can cost the business more then the cost of installing a good surveillance system. And there are also specialized systems that address theft by store employees.

LetsGoBrandon · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

faithful_servant said:
That will get you sued eventually. Until you leave the store, you haven't stolen anything and detaining someone in that manner is not legal.

Actually if you have hidden the merchandise on your person...such as tossing it in your pocket, purse, and other areas, that's evidence enough.

LetsGoBrandon · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

clownboy said:
And as explained already you wouldn't be in the situation to begin with. They've already spotted the person on camera and in person hiding stuff on their person. Not to mention the OP article is a fair bit of bull****.

Ofcourse actually catching someone in the act of shoplifting is a good bust.

LetsGoBrandon · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

clownboy said:
That's just not true anymore. In fact having cameras brings down the cost of insurance. They pay for themselves.

True....Even the small regional chains are now investing in the camera systems,

JANFU · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

ObamacareFail said:
Based on the theft they prevent, it's most often more expensive not to install and maintain the surveillance system.....not to mention the frivolous lawsuits they can prevent. One crook walking into a store and staging a fall can cost the business more then the cost of installing a good surveillance system. And there are also specialized systems that address theft by store employees.

Good cameras and their systems are not cheap. Multiple angles needed. People who steal are not stupid, well not all of them.
I work with security cameras,I am only going by personal experience.

LetsGoBrandon · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

JANFU said:
Good cameras and their systems are not cheap. Multiple angles needed. People who steal are not stupid, well not all of them.
I work with security cameras,I am only going by personal experience.

I work with security cameras as well. And from personal experience, I can assure you that it is more expensive not to put the systems in then it is to put them in. The smart thieves tend to look for soft targets. The stupid thieves do not look for cameras.

JANFU · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

ObamacareFail said:
I work with security cameras as well. And from personal experience, I can assure you that it is more expensive not to put the systems in then it is to put them in. The smart thieves tend to look for soft targets. The stupid thieves do not look for cameras.

Facility I am at is 1/2 million sq ft. It depends upon the product monitored and how much a company is willing to spend.

faithful_servant · Mar 2, 2015

Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

ObamacareFail said:
Actually if you have hidden the merchandise on your person...such as tossing it in your pocket, purse, and other areas, that's evidence enough.

Sorry, but the multi-billion $ corporation of Wal-Mart disagrees with you...

Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishme

clownboy

SlevinKelevra

Sage

Superfly

Salty, defiant, and completely non-compliant.

blarg

clownboy

US Conservative

US Conservative

SlevinKelevra

Sage

SlevinKelevra

Sage

US Conservative

HK.227

radcen

Phonetic Mnemonic ©

rhinefire

faithful_servant

faithful_servant

JANFU

Land by the Gulf Stream

countryboy

LetsGoBrandon

LetsGoBrandon

LetsGoBrandon

LetsGoBrandon

JANFU

Land by the Gulf Stream

LetsGoBrandon

JANFU

Land by the Gulf Stream

faithful_servant

Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishme

Sage

Salty, defiant, and completely non-compliant.

Sage

Sage

Phonetic Mnemonic ©

Land by the Gulf Stream

Land by the Gulf Stream

Land by the Gulf Stream

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency