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Paul Ryan is an excellent choice for Vice President!

The Ryan pick does have a glaring similarity to the Palin pick. McCain's whole campaign was premised on the idea that Obama didn't have the experience necessary to be POTUS. Then he chose as his possible replacement a woman with no national or foreign policy experience.

Romney has premised much of his campaign on the notion that a presidential candidate should have business experience ... going as far as to suggest that perhaps there should be a constitional amendment requiring at least three years of business experience. And now he's chosen as his possible replacement a man who has absolutely no business experience. Romney has maintained that you have to have business experience to really understand and help businesses prosper ... and now he's touting his choice of Ryan -- who has no business experience -- based upon Ryan's supposed expertise in turning around the economy.

Cognitive dissonance anyone?
 
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If I was Romney I would continue to talk about the work-to-welfare;
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So you think he should continue to lie? Obama has no way separated work from welfare in the work to welfare program. Republicans asked him to give them leeway in their own states to do the program in their own way and he obliged. States rights and all. Not to mention Romney took advantage of the same kind of leeway when he was governor of mass.

it's illegal
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Link?
 
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Paul Ryan has no bearing on Romney's electability,unless miss Cleo or some other fraud psychic says that Romney will be assassinated or impeached early. Its just a ploy to sucker conservatives into voting for Romney and nothing.
 
PIZ said:
So you think he should continue to lie?
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I wouldn't say he has lied. I would say he does need to finely tune that message.

Obama has no way separated work from welfare in the work to welfare program
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No, he has simply issued an unlawful waiver to allow states to do so.

Republicans asked him to give them leeway in their own states to do the program in their own way and he obliged.
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Actually both Republican governors that he has cited has come out and said that in no way did what he put out reflect what they were asking for.

Link?
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Section 415(a)(2)(B) of the welfare reform act, now codified at 42 U.S.C. § 615(a)(2)(B), expressly states that “a waiver granted under section 1315 of this title [the one that HHS now claims it is acting under] or otherwise which relates to the provision of assistance under a State program funded under this part (as in effect on September 30, 1996) shall not affect the applicability of section 607 of this title [which applies the work requirements] to the State.
 

There were some on the left that said what Bush did at times was illegal. The right's response to this was "Well if it's illegal, try prosecuting him lol".

So the answer also applies to the right. if you think what Obama did was illegal, prosecute him. If you can't, then right needs to STFU about unconsitutional, illegal, etc. My answer to the right on this "Put up or shut up bitches! Your whining is pathetic."

Nuff said, end of story.
 
haymarket said:
And just how many years would it take to eliminate that federal debt in his "plan"?

Matt Miller: The talented Mr. Ryan - The Washington Post
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Just how many years would the plan of this administration take to get us out of debt ?? Since they took over they have added nearly 5 trillion to that debt … not much of a track record is it ?? If fact why don’t you just outline their plan to get us out of debt . And please post links to their plan
 

....:roll: what utter insipidity masquerading as fight.
 
cpwill said:
....:roll: what utter insipidity masquerading as fight.
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Translation "I'm just talking because there is nothing that can be prosecuted, I just don't like what Obama is doing".

Thank you for your clarification, you're accusations are dismissed as a partisan temper tantrum.
 

If you are going to toss out insults to describe VPs, dont forget bumbling ****ing idiot (Biden) and fat, self centered lunatic (Gore). Hes not like either of those two either.
 

Except the demonization of Ryan as stupid wont stick with anyone. Those that know Ryan know hes smart, ally and opposition alike. So I guess you are going to have to go witht he senior off the cliff demonization that you were already using eh?
 
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Translation "I'm just talking because there is nothing that can be prosecuted, I just don't like what Obama is doing".
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:shrug: the only way to prosecute a President is to impeach him. that doesn't mean that anything which does not result in impeachment is legal. In this case, the Obama administration clearly violated the law (hint, not the Constitution - the statute). That your defense is a nondefense is telling about you and about them.
 
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Except the demonization of Ryan as stupid wont stick with anyone. Those that know Ryan know hes smart, ally and opposition alike. So I guess you are going to have to go witht he senior off the cliff demonization that you were already using eh?
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as Jim Geraghty points out; the narrative for all Republicans is that they are old, evil, stupid, or some combination therein. Ryan isn't old, and trying to make the case for him being stupid would be as effective as making the case for Jon Edwards being a Really Great Guy For Your Daughter To Date. So yeah, they're gonna go with evil.
 

In my personal opinion, the VP is a great place for someone like Paul. Congressional experience, fast mover inside congress. VP fits well. You are right on Palin. She was lacking. Comparing either VP pick to the complaints about Obama not having experience don't match up though. President and Vice President are two entirely different things. I feel the president needs some amount of national and/or foreign policy experience. That is just me. I don't think the comparrison is the same.
 

To the right again I say "Put up or shut up". Your rhetoric means nothing and your side doesn't do anything because NOTHING DONE IS ILLEGAL. You just don't like it.

You just hate the truth and prefer to throw partisan temper tantrums instead. That says more about you than anything.
 
cpwill said:
I wouldn't say he has lied. I would say he does need to finely tune that message.
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No, you wouldn't say that, but he has clearly lied.

Section 415(a)(2)(B) of the welfare reform act, now codified at 42 U.S.C. § 615(a)(2)(B), expressly states that “a waiver granted under section 1315 of this title [the one that HHS now claims it is acting under] or otherwise which relates to the provision of assistance under a State program funded under this part (as in effect on September 30, 1996) shall not affect the applicability of section 607 of this title [which applies the work requirements] to the State.[/QUOTE]

That is hilarious on several levels. First, the memorandum cites Section 1115 as authority for the waivers -- not Section 1315. But maybe that's a typo? Second, this only proves that Romney is lying. The Heritage argument is that there is no authority for the secretary to waive substantive work requirements, and of course the secretary is NOT waiving substantive work requirements. As the memorandum states, waivers will only be granted if a state can show that it would IMPROVE compliance with work requirements.
 

That is hilarious on several levels. First, the memorandum cites Section 1115 as authority for the waivers -- not Section 1315. But maybe that's a typo? Second, this only proves that Romney is lying. The Heritage argument is that there is no authority for the secretary to waive substantive work requirements, and of course the secretary is NOT waiving substantive work requirements. As the memorandum states, waivers will only be granted if a state can show that it would IMPROVE compliance with work requirements.[/QUOTE]








what is hilarious is that you don't know the meaning of the word "waivers". you are one funny dude, Adam :lamo
 

"Bold choice" is just another synonom for desperate. Romney knows he is going lose antway, so his pick is purely to please the base even if it hurts him in Nov.
 
iguanaman said:
"Bold choice" is just another synonom for desperate. Romney knows he is going lose antway, so his pick is purely to please the base even if it hurts him in Nov.
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keep thinking that way, because you are in for a big disappointment in november. can you say ONE TERM PRESIDENT?
 
Bobcat said:
keep thinking that way, because you are in for a big disappointment in november. can you say ONE TERM PRESIDENT?
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I'm not worried. I just hope you realize that this election is a referendum on the Teaparty, the Ryan budget, ending Medicare or Social Security and tax cuts for the rich. When Romney loses I don't want to hear any more about any of those things. It's time to move on, the people have spoken.
 
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No, this election is a decision on marxist collectivism vs free market capitalism. huge government vs small government. government cotrol over our lives vs self determination.

But since your buddy adam never answered the question, please tell all of us what specific tax cuts for the rich Romney and Ryan want to put in place. You keep saying it, now put up or shut up.
 

Wrong, this election is a referendum on failure, Obama's failure. Unless of course you approve of 8+% unemployment for over 42 months, a GDP of 1.5%, and raising our national debt by 6 trillion in just four yrs. Under Obama you will enjoy worse numbers for the next 4 yrs as he has run out of ideas to do anything except the same failed policies.
 
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what is hilarious is that you don't know the meaning of the word "waivers". you are one funny dude, Adam :lamo
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The funniest part is that Romney signed a letter along with 27 other Republican Gov. in 2005 asking for the same "flexibility" that the HHS letter offers. Why would he demonize something he himself requested and thought was a good thing just a few years ago? oops I forgot we are talking about Mitt flip-flop Romney. Is there nothing he has done in public life that he believes in?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/09/jay-carney/carney-says-romney-favored-welfare-forever-legisla/
 
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His ideas have given us the fastest growing major economy in the free world. Romney's policies are the same as the ones that got us into this mess to begin with and have put the Euroxone back in recession.. Going back to them is insane.
 

Ryan's plan eliminates all taxes on capital gains, interest and dividends. I'm pretty sure those benefit the rich far more than the middle class and poor...

and if you think that a majority of the population know what marxism is, you're sadly mistaken...
 
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I'm a bit surprised that anyone is still asking this question because it has been all over the news for the past couple of weeks.

CNBC
here's more on how the Romney/Ryan proposals affect taxpayers
Mitt Romney's Tax Plan Would Give Average Tax Break of at Least $250,000 to People Making Over $1 Million

Ryan Farther-Reaching Than Romney on Taxes Without Detail

Romney tax plan would result in cuts for rich, higher burden for others
 
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