Tell me about the abuse of authority you have seen on several levels by many government agencies.swampkritter said:No, not this time. I personally have never been in any trouble with police officers of any sort. However, I have seen abuse of authority on several levels by many government agencies.
Fantasea said:Tell me about the abuse of authority you have seen on several levels by many government agencies.
Since there's a physical limit of ten thousand characters per individual post, you may have to split the anecdotes among several posts.
slim said:Sorry guys. This is an illusion. The nation you live in is run by corporations, oil tycoons and neo-conservative madmen. The war on terror is a war against Imperialist opposition to the West. Noticed emergency powers at home lately?
Which one of these relates to the Patriot Act?swampkritter said:Without doing massive research to find more, three incidents come to mind:
1. Ruby Ridge: What happened at Ruby ridge when Randy Weaver's family was killed is an abuse of authority.
2. Waco: If the government so desired, they could have arrested David Koresh many times without invading his compound and killing people.
3. Recently, the Florida Dept. of Family and Childrens Services took an Indian woman's baby moments after the child was born. The reason? they said that the baby had no stable home. The woman was in the U.S. legally, visiting relatives, when she was struck by a car and gave birth prematurely. The woman and her family in india is fairly well off with property and plenty of money. This woman does not speak english and wasn't given an interpreter until the day they took her child, so she really did not have a clue as to what was happening until it was too late.
All you have to do is to read the news.
Fantasea said:Which one of these relates to the Patriot Act?
Fantasea said:The Clinton Administration, that epitome of civil rights and stupidity, bungled and ended up unintentionally killing a lot of folks, yet you twist it to appear as a deliberate act.?
Fantasea said:The worst you can cite about Florida is that action was taken to ensure the protection of a child, obviously at risk, whose mother was injured and, perhaps, temporarily unable to adequately care for her child. Is the "offense" you cite one of being over-protective? Can you imagine the media frenzy if there was no intervention and the child had died?
Fantasea said:I'm not familiar with the story but it would appear that the local 'relatives' weren't of much help in the situation. Why would that be?
So what you are actually saying is that these situations are not connected with the Patriot Act and that despite your claim to the contrary, you don't know of any situations of abuse which are. Yet you have no compunction about making preposterous claims.swampkritter said:My point is simple: The abuse of this act is certain, if not under the current administration under a future one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasea
Which one of these relates to the Patriot Act?
I call it the socialist-liberal-democrat method of problem solving, with an Arkansas twist to it.Yiu call that bungling? It shows a blatant disregard for civil rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasea
The Clinton Administration, that epitome of civil rights and stupidity, bungled and ended up unintentionally killing a lot of folks, yet you twist it to appear as a deliberate act.?
Until the bleeding heart libs got into the picture, I bet that the mother was thankful that she was receiving the kind of treatment she could never have received "at home", and that her child was safe, sound, and protected during her period of incapacity.Can you imagine the grief the mother is going through because of the uneccessary loss of her child? what about the lack of an interpreter until the deed was basically done?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasea
The worst you can cite about Florida is that action was taken to ensure the protection of a child, obviously at risk, whose mother was injured and, perhaps, temporarily unable to adequately care for her child. Is the "offense" you cite one of being over-protective? Can you imagine the media frenzy if there was no intervention and the child had died?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasea
I'm not familiar with the story but it would appear that the local 'relatives' weren't of much help in the situation. Why would that be?
Are you familiar with the expression, "Going off half-cocked"?Who knows? I await more news on this incident.
So what you are actually saying is that these situations are not connected with the Patriot Act and that despite your claim to the contrary, you don't know of any situations of abuse which are. Yet you have no compunction about making preposterous claims.
I call it the socialist-liberal-democrat method of problem solving, with an Arkansas twist to it.
wonder why there was no call from the media for heads to roll after Ruby Ridge and Waco? Perhaps you have an idea on the subject which you would like to share? If either of those fiascoes had been a Republican escapade, we'd still be hearing the protests, wouldn't we?
Are you familiar with the expression, "Going off half-cocked"?
That's getting to be 'liberal-speak' for, "Press the panic button at the first sign there may be something to complain about. So what if nothing materializes; at least we got the media coverage."
swampkritter said:I never once said that any example I gave was in any way connected to the patriot act.
What would prevent a future administration from abusing the patriot act? Nothing.
Same thing, a violation of civil rights by the federal government.
The fact that she wasn't able to communicate without an interpreter and was not provided with one until the day they took her child is enough of an alarm bell.
Florida's Dept of Family and Childrens Services are well known for removing children from the parents without just cause.
I have fought them in the past and know many others who have as well. In my case I won, others weren't so lucky.
RightatNYU said:What would prevent ANY government from enacting their emergency powers? Nothing. You are setting up foolish straw men to scare people..
RightatNYU said:er, no..
RightatNYU said:This situation should have been handled IMMEDIATELY with her son being sent back to Cuba. There was no need for an interpreter.
As long as the Republicans remain in control, you needn't worry. However, if the Democrats get back in, watch out. Remember, that's where the Ruby Ridge and Waco pecadilloes originated.swampkritter said:I never once said that any example I gave was in any way connected to the patriot act.Originally posted by Fantasea
So what you are actually saying is that these situations are not connected with the Patriot Act and that despite your claim to the contrary, you don't know of any situations of abuse which are. Yet you have no compunction about making preposterous claims.
What would prevent a future administration from abusing the patriot act? Nothing.
Nope. It was the Dems.Same thing, a violation of civil rights by the federal government.Originally posted by Fantasea
I call it the socialist-liberal-democrat method of problem solving, with an Arkansas twist to it.
Are you making a media accusation?Absolutely correct!Originally posted by Fantasea Quote:
I wonder why there was no call from the media for heads to roll after Ruby Ridge and Waco? Perhaps you have an idea on the subject which you would like to share? If either of those fiascoes had been a Republican escapade, we'd still be hearing the protests, wouldn't we?
I don't know about that. They were trying to protect Elion Gonzales until Janet Reno's goons broke in and abducted him.The fact that she wasn't able to communicate without an interpreter and was not provided with one until the day they took her child is enough of an alarm bell.Originally posted by Fantasea
Are you familiar with the expression, "Going off half-cocked"?
That's getting to be 'liberal-speak' for, "Press the panic button at the first sign there may be something to complain about. So what if nothing materializes; at least we got the media coverage."
Florida's Dept of Family and Childrens Services are well known for removing children from the parents without just cause.
Lucky for you.I have fought them in the past and know many others who have as well. In my case I won, others weren't so lucky.
Fantasea said:As long as the Republicans remain in control, you needn't worry. However, if the Democrats get back in, watch out. Remember, that's where the Ruby Ridge and Waco pecadilloes originated..
Fantasea said:Nope. It was the Dems.
Fantasea said:Are you making a media accusation?
Fantasea said:I don't know about that. They were trying to protect Elion Gonzales until Janet Reno's goons broke in and abducted him.
Well, if that's what your crystal ball tells you .....swampkritter said:Republican, Democrat, it doesn't matter. In a future administration, the Patriot Act more than likely will be abused.
The Dems in control of the Federal Government. There have been abuses like these fron both Democrats and Republicans in the past.
The media's obvious liberal bias show's it's ugly head on a daily basis.
One case out of how many?
RightatNYU said:It's funny, the rights violations that you mention occurring in the UK are the types of things that are done here in the US by the LEFT, not the right, so your idea that Bush will push them on the people is a bit off. And also, there is no way Bush will maintain power through the next election. That's simply a foolish statement.
Fantasea said:Well, if that's what your crystal ball tells you .....
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