Marshabar
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This act would be illegal in Australia, Western Europe or Canada so once again it is left to the Americans to step out in support of Free Speech, the linchpin which protects all other human rights and freedoms. Lose that and you can kiss the rest goodbye.
Do we need fear for the life of this woman?
If the answer is yes, then it would seem that despite all the platitudes we hear about the 'Religion of Peace', the truth lies elsewhere.
I looked at Ann's website. She came fully prepared to do this thing and understands the danger very well. Don't show up unexpectedly at her house. I was remembering the cartoonist from Seattle who promoted an "everyone draw Mohammed day" last year. As far as I know she is still living under an assumed i.d. away from her family and friends. A fatwa was declared against her and the FBI advised her to disappear.
Ann Barnhardt is hoping that many more Americans will follow her lead and burn Korans in defiance of Islamic radicalism and in support of free speech. I doubt many will have the sheer guts to do it.
You are not really speaking from any position of authority to analyse what the pastor may or may not have incited. You assert your own opinion, nothing more.
His actions caused harm to others. That’s fundamentally wrong in my book. He was asked by countless prominent world leaders, agencies, and figures to cease his actions. If his family, his church, and other things he cared about found themselves in a bad situation related to this I wouldn’t mind in the slightest.
It seems that most of you that either oppose or support his decision are unwilling to consider both sides of the picture. There is not an easily painted picture to compare the situation to in the Western world vs. the Islamic world. It is a difference in culture that we cannot fathom. He committed one of the worst possible atrocities that the Islamic world could imagine. Wars have been waged for less offensive gestures.
As I've only seem mentioned a few rare times in here have the majority of you forgotten about the Limitations of the 1st Amendment?
Hrrm I wasnt expecting an 'islamic creep' argument. But somehow... I seriously doubt that any non-muslims would end up in Sharia courts in the west. The idea screams of pre-emptive victimization.
What limitations would those be?
First Amendment Law (U. S. Constitution: The First Amendment) is an easy read if you have maybe forgotten your highschool government classes.
Freedom of speech has limitations and plenty of Supreme Court rulings to back it. I find it borderline loony that people support Pastor Jones who intentionally created violence.
Do you feel Bill O'Reilley was also responsible for what the Muslims did?
He predicted the violence, and condemned the publicity stunt of putting a Koran on trial. So did a lot of other people, including Obama. Now, when you get O'Reilly and Obama to agree on something, you have to wonder whether there is something worth agreeing on.
He predicted the violence, and condemned the publicity stunt of putting a Koran on trial. So did a lot of other people, including Obama. Now, when you get O'Reilly and Obama to agree on something, you have to wonder whether there is something worth agreeing on.
I understand the analogy. I don't think it's valid.
No, not all Muslims are nutcases. Not all Christians are nutcases, either, but some are as this little incident illustrates.
On what basis are you claiming it invalid?
did you bother to check your facts before you made that comment?The Muslim world is silent on this latest mass slaughter
First Amendment Law (U. S. Constitution: The First Amendment) is an easy read if you have maybe forgotten your highschool government classes.
Freedom of speech has limitations and plenty of Supreme Court rulings to back it. I find it borderline loony that people support Pastor Jones who intentionally created violence.
Except, Jones didn't create any violence. The violence was created by the crazy bastards in Afghanistan.
Freedom Schools were often targets of white mobs. So also were the homes of local African Americans involved in the campaign. That summer 30 black homes and 37 black churches were firebombed. Over 80 volunteers were beaten by white mobs or racist police officers and three men, James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, were murdered by the Ku Klux Klan on 21st June, 1964. This attempt to frighten others from joining the campaign failed and by late 1964 over 70,000 students had taken part in Freedom Summer.
Freedom Summer
First Amendment Law (U. S. Constitution: The First Amendment) is an easy read if you have maybe forgotten your highschool government classes.
Freedom of speech has limitations and plenty of Supreme Court rulings to back it. I find it borderline loony that people support Pastor Jones who intentionally created violence.
First Amendment Law (U. S. Constitution: The First Amendment) is an easy read if you have maybe forgotten your highschool government classes.
Freedom of speech has limitations and plenty of Supreme Court rulings to back it. I find it borderline loony that people support Pastor Jones who intentionally created violence.
Dittohead not! said:He predicted the violence, and condemned the publicity stunt of putting a Koran on trial. So did a lot of other people, including Obama. Now, when you get O'Reilly and Obama to agree on something, you have to wonder whether there is something worth agreeing on.
did you bother to check your facts before you made that comment?
(Washington, DC - 4/1/11)—The Muslim Public Affairs Council today condemned the killing of at least 12 people, including seven United Nations workers, in Afghanistan by protesters as “barbaric, atrocious and senseless.” This afternoon, MPAC will hold press conferences in Washington, DC and Los Angeles to respond to today’s events.
MPAC Condemns Senseless Killing of U.N. Workers In Afghanistan - Muslim Public Affairs Council
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of Cordoba Initiative and Daisy Khan of American Society for Muslim Advancement Pronounce their unequivocal denunciation of the killings of United Nations workers in Afghanistan by those who were protesting the burning of the Qur’an by Terry Jones. Regardless of motive or rationalization or evidence or excuse, this action must be condemned. Violent Extremism which seeks to inflict harm on innocent people is an absolute corruption of Islamic Doctrine.
CAIR Condemns Attack on U.N. Compound in Afghanistan. The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) today condemned an attack on a U.N. compound in northern Afghanistan that killed at least 12 people Friday, most of them U.N. workers.
In a statement, CAIR said: “We unequivocally condemn this act of senseless violence. Nothing can justify or excuse this attack.”
The American Muslim (TAM)
Except, Jones didn't create any violence. The violence was created by the crazy bastards in Afghanistan.
By that logic, it's Planned Parenthood's fault that abortion clinics are getting blown up. I mean, hey, if there were no abortion clinics, no one would get pissed off and bomb them. Right?
You are saying that people should be held liable for the actions of others, if such behavior is the possible reaction to a legal activity. If you truly believe this, then you must hold abortion doctors accountable for the violence leveled against them, and their practice, because abortions can lead to enraged people acting violently
What sparks unreason and emotion better than abortion, after all?
The Koran burning was done in order to incite violence.
It was offered simply as a red herring, and an emotional argument.
What sparks unreason and emotion better than abortion, after all?
If a group of anti abortion extremists were to have been known beyond a doubt to be looking for an excuse to riot, if a doctor had performed an abortion publicly, perhaps put it on camera and posted it on UTube or something simply as a publicity stunt aimed at getting the extremists to resort to violence, then the analogy might hold water. Nothing like that has happened.
The Koran burning was done in order to incite violence.
There was no other reason to have done it.
There is no debate about Koran burning that is like the debate about abortion.
There is no civil right to be gained by burning Korans
Why anyone wants to try to defend this guy is beyond me.
How about any criticism of Islam? Can anything get more violent than Muslims on a rampage? There like a miniature tsunami in themselves, murdering everything in their wake.
Well the US President and General Petraeus certainly played along with that idea. They could have said that Muslims are responsible people, will behave like adults, and ignore the craziness of some obscure Florida preacher.
But they didn't. instead they built up the story, predicting all Hell will break loose, and of course the Muslims didn't disappoint.
I hope they have a re-think on how all of this is handled in the future. Rather than treating Muslims like irresponsible children, perhaps we should start expecting more from them. I can't see the harm in that.
Again, not Muslims. Muslim extremists.
The President and General didn't say that the Muslim extremists are responsible people, as that would have been obviously wrong.
I'm sure that Pastor Nutter thinks that his religion is the correct one, and that he was simply demonstrating that someone else's religion is wrong, violent, and evil.
His error is the same as the one I keep reading on this thread: Lumping all Muslims with the few extremists. Meanwhile, he is himself an extremist, and not a very good example of Christianity.
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