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The parent just based upon the article doesn't seem to have a problem with the lycra bags. As a general statement, sure you would want to know. It's great that you could just come get him also but what about those who can't? Or that might take an hour to get there? Should a teacher have to take an hour out of the days schedule to watch this one kid until you get there?
I guess if the parent can't come and get them, the kids stays in the lyrcra bag. Is that okay if it were your 9 year old and you couldn't come get him?
It may take 3 hours... so the kid should stay in the bag in your opinion?
Absolutely - the teacher is responsible for that child while he/she is at school.
Even if this bag were the "proper" lycra one, or whatever, as a parent, I want to know that putting my kid in this bag is or is not an option for the teachers. In other words, I don't want to show up to school surprised to find my kid in a bag, even the lycra bag. That's the issue, here. As a parent, I should be able to tell the teachers, no, don't put my kid in a bag, just call me, and I'll come get him.
We talk about teachers be ill equipped to deal with these sorts of things. Um. What if, as a private sector worker, I told my boss I was ill equipped to do my job? What would happen, do you think? I mean, they have special education teachers...these are the so called pros for this sort of thing. And they resorted to putting that kind into, as described by the article, a gym bag? Sorry, but seeing as getting a refund for these obviously unwanted "services" is not in the cards for the parents, then, you're god damn right some heads should roll.
Removing a disruption from a classroom is not hard. Teachers all over America do it without putting children in bags. If you're just playing devil's advocate I understand, but if you're seriously trying to defend this approach then you're just out to lunch. A child isn't an animal. You don't just cage them when you can't deal with them.
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My son is autistic and if a school ever did this to him, the teacher who did this would be meeting my lawyer as well as my fist.
There is NO EXCUSE for this kind of ignorant approach to special needs children in the modern world. They are not animals that you can do whatever you want with. They are real people.
This story INFURIATES me!
I don't understand what more education you need in order to have an opinion if this were your kid? The question is what is acceptable to you. You put yourself in the shoes of a parent and form an opinion.... you can't do that?I don't know. I would be more educated on this I would hope if it applied to my kid.
Again, I do not know what is acceptable here but my gut feeling is that a teacher or administrator can't regulary be assigned to one kid for three hours.
Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.I disagree. So the other 19 kids loose out on classroom time?
If I had kids nowadays, I would home school them.
I'm not sure what to think. On the surface I'm inclined to freak out and want someone's head.
OTOH... I recall a documentary I watched once on autism. There was an autistic adult, semi-functional. In her home she had a device of her own design that is hard to describe... it looked like a largeish exercise machine with lots of heavily padded arms. When she felt overwhelmed or like she was going to lose control, she'd get in the machine and pull the levers, and the padded arms would close around her, kind of squeezing her slightly. She could get out on her own by pulling the lever anytime, but she said that being squeezed lightly and feeling as if she could not move somehow had a strong calming effect on her and helped her keep it together.
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Seems to me that this is something they should have discussed with the parents in more detail, before it became an issue. Also, I understand that autism is a spectrum disorder and not all autistic persons respond in the same manner to various treatments like sensory deprivation or movement deprivation.
If I'd never heard of "bagging" an autistic person before and came upon that scene, I'd of freaked out and likely done someone some harm. Communication issues here at the least...
Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.
I don't understand what more education you need in order to have an opinion if this were your kid? The question is what is acceptable to you. You put yourself in the shoes of a parent and form an opinion.... you can't do that?
If you still cannot -- what would your parent opinion (do you think?) and if you didn't have parents, what about friends of yours or other people you may know - what do you think their reaction would be if they did NOT know their child was going to be put in a Lycra bag and found their child t
Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.
Are you being serious here? Jezus...
T Should a teacher have to take an hour out of the days schedule to watch this one kid until you get there?
Absolutely - the teacher is responsible for that child while he/she is at school.
I don't understand what more education you need in order to have an opinion if this were your kid? The question is what is acceptable to you. You put yourself in the shoes of a parent and form an opinion.... you can't do that?
If you still cannot -- what would your parent opinion (do you think?) and if you didn't have parents, what about friends of yours or other people you may know - what do you think their reaction would be if they did NOT know their child was going to be put in a Lycra bag and found their child t
Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.
Are you being serious here? Jezus...
People have not gathered enough info. "OMG, that kid's in a BAG!!!" No, it's not just "a bag," but a special bag used in a certain type of therapy, AND the mother seems to have understood the therapy. Cut the hype.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/parents-angry-after-school-put-autistic-son-in-bag/
My oldest son is mildly autistic - when he was younger we had a lot of issues with the school he attended. As he grew older some of his issues sort of faded - he learned about to be in more control of his self, etc. . . making it easier to teach him and he distrupted the class less.
However frustrating it might have been for the teachers - they did NOT treat him like ****.
If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper. I've been on edge of losing it several times with teachers concerning just how they talked about him . . . I don't think I would have maintained control if they violated his rights, physical self and dignity. I would have beat the **** out of them.
This story INFURIATES me - and more so: the school DEFENDED their actions by saying "bags are used to control . . . they're a gym bag that they can get out of" **** YOU YOU **** - let me stick you in a bag and leave you there and see how you like it you disgusting pigs.
More so: the mother heard that they 'used bags to handle them' and just didn't know 'how' they used the bag - that's bizarre. . .obviously you can NEVER EVER assume that they're doing what you THINK they're doing. You must ask question and lots of them!
I think this is exactly WHY the dissolve of special-needs-only classrooms was horrible. . . regular teachers have 20+ kids and special needs children require extra attention that the average teacher can't provide, doesn't have instruction in . . . I think it sets everyone up for a poor and failing school experience.
As special needs children grew THEN they should be in a regular classroom more IF they can control their selves on their own and with less interaction from the teacher.
I found that my son being shuffled to and from classroom 4 times a day was more disruptive than anything else - and this was so he could have individualized instruction time. At least years ago they would have a small classroom for one-on-one cognitive (etc) related activity to strengthen their skills in school but now they just stick tehse special needs kids who have attention deficit and physical issues in the hallway - with countless others shuffling past all the time (yeah, they're going to focus and learn then) :roll:
Schools are failing miserably to keep up with the growing number of students who have issues.
People have not gathered enough info. "OMG, that kid's in a BAG!!!" No, it's not just "a bag," but a special bag used in a certain type of therapy, AND the mother seems to have understood the therapy. Cut the hype.
Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.
Are you being serious here? Jezus...
It doesn't seem like this was anything except a regular old bag. As in a ball bag.
Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.
I don't think you understand that this isn't just a kid being ornery.....
Let me give you a for instance...
First grade classroom of 24 kids. In the middle of a math lesson, a child starts screaming, banging his head on his desk, rolling around on the floor, running around the room hitting other kids on the head.... and you think the teacher should have to keep that kid for AN HOUR until the parents get there? Do you understand that there will be absolutely NO LEARNING in that hour because the teacher will be constantly trying to stop that kid from hurting himself or other kids?
It's a bag used in autism therapy. The balls are used for sensory purposes.
If the child is that disruptive, he goes out of the classroom and to the principals office, or to another room where someone has to watch him so he doesn't hurt himself. I don't see that in this case... and while your example is an extreme one, I cannot see any... let me stress again... any circumstance in which a school, without my permission or knowledge before the fact, puts my 9 year old no matter how disruptive, in a lycra bag.
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