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What I find so fascinating is how the op-ed piece takes the tone that Palin is somehow extreme in her pro-life stance and she's just not. She's pro-life. She believes the fetus has a right to life and that to abort is murder. Lots and lots of people think like she does.
What I find so fascinating is how the op-ed piece takes the tone that Palin is somehow extreme in her pro-life stance and she's just not. She's pro-life. She believes the fetus has a right to life and that to abort is murder. Lots and lots of people think like she does.
You aren't tracking what I'm saying. I admitted Obama had little to no experience at all. We were discussing Palin's qualifications, not Obama's, and I wasn't getting all twisted.So wait...you're going to get all twisted over 19 months in an executive position because its Palin, yet you won't acknowledge that your guy had 20 something weeks worth of experience as a junior senator?
Right, so you don't want to talk about Palin, which is who the conversation was about, but you're going to stomp off because I asked you to contain the discussion the topic. You were the one defending her experience, I simply took what you provided and began examining it. But now it's about me not wanting to talk about Obama. What the ****, I wasn't the one in here defending Obama's experience and qualifications was I? Did I make that argument? No I didn't. So why are you stomping off when I don't take up that mantle? Look, as I pointed out in an earlier post, I know the guy has little to no experience, I admit that. I also admit I voted for him despite that. There you go j, that is my position. I agree with you he's a babe in the woods with no executive experience. Can we kiss and make up now?Okay, Lerxst, we're just going to have to agree to disagree because I think the whole conversation just took on an air of being ridiculous. I'm not going to sit here and play your game of hunting down the details of everything Palin did as governor while you refuse to do the same for your little community organizer.
Oh whatever, that's horse dookey and you know it. What's absurd is you suggesting that, simply because I'm not up here slamming Obama when the conversation...the thread...was about Palin. All I did was take the defense you offered up and hammer away at it. If you don't want get any deeper into what you laid out there, fine, I understand. However my criticism stands.You basically hold Palin to a different standard because she has the R after her name and nothing more. It's beyond absurd.
I find it amazing that those of us on the side of life are considered the extremists :roll:
I'm sure many pro-choice liberals feel the same way when they see some of the pro-life rantings that occur. It's a hot issue, like religion. People on the left and right go too far with it in many cases if you ask me. It's not black and white to me.
Address the subject about Palin's inexperience? I definitely addressed it; your willful denial of it doesn't change the FACT.
How typical of you to rail about your "perceptions" of Palin but willingly ignore the FACT that you supported a candidate with far less experience and who is weakening this nation daily with his insane economic policies and putting the nation even more at risk from our enemies by releasing CIA memos for purely political purposes.
Carry on! :rofl
It is to me, considering that life is precious, I side on the side of science, that there is life there.. Though I don't call pro-abortion people "extremists" just misguided. That said, there have been numerous times I have been called an extremist or an "religious extremist" over this issue, when religion has nothing to do with my position.... Maybe I should start. :mrgreen:
It is to me, considering that life is precious, I side on the side of science, that there is life there.. Though I don't call pro-abortion people "extremists" just misguided. That said, there have been numerous times I have been called an extremist or an "religious extremist" over this issue, when religion has nothing to do with my position.... Maybe I should start. :mrgreen:
I really hate it when people refer to pro-choice as being pro-abortion. I don't know ANYONE who is pro-abortion. :roll: If I accidentally got pregnant and was told my child would have Down Syndrome, I would STILL have the baby. That is MY MY MY MY choice.
I really hate it when people refer to pro-choice as being pro-abortion. I don't know ANYONE who is pro-abortion. :roll: If I accidentally got pregnant and was told my child would have Down Syndrome, I would STILL have the baby. That is MY MY MY MY choice.
Well there is the difference between you and I then. I view life as precious also, but it's not my place to get involved in a woman's decision regarding abortion unless the fetus in question is mine. If one of my daughters were pregnant and considering abortion I would certainly get involved and provide my input in the matter, but in the end it would be her choice. I may not agree with the choice, but it's hers. Not mine.
There are valid reasons for abortion. It's up to the mother and the medical community to sort those issues out.
If you do want abortion to be illegal, you are in my opinion "pro-abortion". This opinion is MY MY MY choice.
Fetus is a medical term, I didn't make it up, and I don't think the medical science community had a pro-abortion strategy in mind when they adopted the terminology. That kind appeal to emotion doesn't sway my position. I'm not pro-abortion. I'm pro-it's the mothers body, it's the mothers decision to make. There is no blood on my hands should a woman decide that an abortion is necessary.The term "fetus" in my opinion is used to change the reality of the proceedure. That fetus, is a human life.
Yes, those are valid reasons.Yes, mortal danger to the mother or cases of rape within the 1st 8 weeks, though I don't like it, I will compromise there.
Fetus is a medical term, I didn't make it up, and I don't think the medical science community had a pro-abortion strategy in mind when they adopted the terminology. That kind appeal to emotion doesn't sway my position. I'm not pro-abortion. I'm pro-it's the mothers body, it's the mothers decision to make. There is no blood on my hands should a woman decide that an abortion is necessary.
Yes, those are valid reasons.
That's not logical, but your response made me laugh.
I think the "pro-abortion" thing is idoitc. Technically, it is true in the general context that one is for the legality of abortion. However, its a cheap tactic used by most people that use it to insinuate that people are for abortions actually taking place in a GENERAL sense and to give the impression to the masses that these people want abortions to happen routinely, just because. Its an attempt to belittle and re-interprit the intention of most pro-choice people, which is generally not that abortion is good but that it is the choice of the woman not the government whether htey should be allowed to do it or not.
I think the same thing when people on the other side call Pro-Lifer's "anti-choice". Again, technically, it is true. They're against the ability to choose whether one has an abortion or not. However, its a general gross misinterpritation of what Pro-lifer's actually believe in order to confuse the masses into thinking that the mean pro-lifers don't want you deciding what's best for your body when in reality they believe that they fetus is a child and thus has rights and you can't infringe upon its rights.
Both Anti-Choice and Pro-Abortion are USUALLY used by people who don't actually care about legitimate honest debate or respectful discourse between two people but instead care more about smearing, attacking, and degrading the side opposite of them in all ways possible no matter the amount one must twist, distort, or mislead.
I think argument that its a fetus not a child is more disingenuous than my opinon that if you support abortion "rights" you are pro abortion.
It's my honest opinion. I don't use "pro-abortion" because I want to be "dishonest" or "disrespectful"....
When many of these same people are "anti-choice" when it comes to the 2nd. Using a term like "pro-choice" to me is disingenuous.
Curious, cause I honestly don't remember this off the top of my head from the campaign.
Is she for banning it in all cases, including in times when the mother's life is in danger or cases of rape/incest?
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Is she on record of saying there should be a national ban of it or the states should decide?
Yep, I've got no worries about her record. It was more just a general question about her stance because I honestly don't know.
The reason I ask is because someone that thinks that it should be illegal on a national scale for ANY reason AT ALL and is in favor of major legal ramifications on people who choose to do so illegally would be extreme in my mind, much like people who push for Late Term abortions being legalized and wanting large government aid to do such and advocating that younger people are actually encouraged to get abortions would be the extreme on the other side.
I think its entirely possible to be "extreme" on the issue on both sides, I just honestly don't know Palin's stances enough to know where she sits in this particular regard
She did appoint a pro-choice judge to Alaska's SC.
My question would be "did she appoint that person just primarily because the judge was pro-choice" or because Palin felt the judge was an all around good choice?
I'm always curious about appointments like this. I'm not going to pass any judgement on her here because I don't know enough about her actual reasoning. But it's interesting info.
Okay, so if I support a woman's right to choose what she wants to do with her own pregnancy, but I choose to keep that fetus--how would you label me?
Pro-Abortion.
You support her choice to get an abortion.
I am pro gun.
I support your RIGHT to own a gun.
Pro-choice is like the way we use the word fetus. To dehumanize the act.
If I was "pro-choice" and someone said to me I was "pro-abortion", I would say "yeah so"?
The fact that you all have a problem with that term, to me, means that some little sliver inside you all, know its wrong. I call that. *Hope*.
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