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Israel has repeatedly elected terrorists to lead it.
Israel has repeatedly elected terrorists to lead it.So the moment they have disability to govern themselves they elect terrorists. Palestine is ruled by Hamas everyone points the finger at Israel for the problem but the problem is Hamas. I don't know why they choose Hamas to be there leader. I don't know if they were tricked into it or if it's based on some religious viewpoint or a combination of things.
Germany wasn’t destroyed. The Allies considered that plan and rejected it.So you believe the US should be destroyed like Nazi Germany, yes? Another objectively bad nation?
If a country is “objectively bad”, does that mean everything it does is bad?
Don't forget that the State of Israel occupied Gaza for decades.
Don't forget that Netanyahu, in an attempt to weaken the power of the Palestinian Authority, promoted Hamas in that election.
Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization. But today, the majority of Palestinian adults in Gaza probably didn't vote for Hamas in that one election.
Back to the issue: Despite nearly 2 decades of an Israeli-imposed-and-enforced crippling blockade, nearly 2 decades of Israeli incursions into Gaza in which the IDF periodically "mowed the lawn", and the fact that the IDF is by far more powerful than Hamas, the people of Israel are not safe from attacks mounted from Gaza by Hamas.
It looks as if trying to eradicate Hamas from the Strip by force is not a successful strategy.
Germany wasn’t destroyed. The Allies considered that plan and rejected it.
If you’ve got evidence of massive bomber raids on Germany post 1945 let’s see them.So Gaza isn’t being destroyed either right? Flattening cities and killing a significant portion of the population doesn’t destroy a nation?
With having elected Hama to govern, Palestinians have also enabled, and have chosen, the ideological indoctrination of Palestinian children into Hamas terrorists.So the moment they have disability to govern themselves they elect terrorists. Palestine is ruled by Hamas everyone points the finger at Israel for the problem but the problem is Hamas. I don't know why they choose Hamas to be there leader. I don't know if they were tricked into it or if it's based on some religious viewpoint or a combination of things.
Seems like they were better off under that situation.Don't forget that the State of Israel occupied Gaza for decades.
The Palestinian authority is Hamas.Don't forget that Netanyahu, in an attempt to weaken the power of the Palestinian Authority, promoted Hamas in that election.
So the Palestinians are being oppressed by Hamas.Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization. But today, the majority of Palestinian adults in Gaza probably didn't vote for Hamas in that one election.
Seems like Palestine benefits from being under the control of Israel. Hamas seems to want to get Palestinians killedBack to the issue: Despite nearly 2 decades of an Israeli-imposed-and-enforced crippling blockade, nearly 2 decades of Israeli incursions into Gaza in which the IDF periodically "mowed the lawn", and the fact that the IDF is by far more powerful than Hamas, the people of Israel are not safe from attacks mounted from Gaza by Hamas.
Is this because they don't want to kill innocent Palestinians and children that Hamas uses as human Shields I think that's what it is. So again Hamas is the supreme enemy to Palestine. If Israel wanted to they could flip a switch and white Palestine off the map.It looks as if trying to eradicate Hamas from the Strip by force is not a successful strategy.
Reducing homes, businesses, schools, roads, bridges to rubble isn't destroying Gaza?So Gaza isn’t being destroyed either right? Flattening cities and killing a significant portion of the population doesn’t destroy a nation?
If you’ve got evidence of massive bomber raids on Germany post 1945 let’s see them.
This is a lie. If there were terrorists we would be talking about Palestine in the past tense. Terrorists with the power that Israel has and it's region are called terrorists that are called dictators.Israel has repeatedly elected terrorists to lead it.
When was the last election in Gaza?With having elected Hama to govern, Palestinians have also enabled the, and have chosen, the ideological indoctrination of Palestinian children into Hamas terrorists.
The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) documents Hamas’s extensive apparatus for indoctrinating Palestinian children from a young age to embrace jihad, hate Jews, and seek martyrdom. This includes Hamas-run TV programs, schools, and summer camps. Specific examples include:
- A 2007 Hamas TV clip featuring a child, Saraa Barhoum, singing “We Liberated Gaza by Force,” glorifying violence (No. 1637).
- A 2022 Hamas TV event honoring mothers of “martyrs,” where a mother expressed willingness to sacrifice all 17 of her children for Palestine and Al-Aqsa (No. 9928).
- 2023 summer camp reports showing children trained in weapons use and simulating attacks on Israeli military posts (No. 10381).
- A 2023 dispatch quoting a Hamas terrorist’s mother saying, “The Jews are our enemies, we should fight them, devour them with our teeth” (No. 10598).
Hamas' Indoctrination Of Children To Jihad, Martyrdom, Hatred Of Jews
Hamas operates a vast and diversified apparatus to indoctrinate children from a very young age to love jihad and devote their lives to fighting the Jews, and to seek martyrdom as the ultimate glory that is highly rewarded in Paradise. This indoctrination is complemented and amplified by parents...www.memri.org
Teaching Terror: How Hamas Radicalizes Palestinian Society (Published February 11, 2007, with relevance to ongoing patterns)
- This report details Hamas’s radicalization efforts through its dawa (social welfare and outreach) network, including schools, mosques, and summer camps. Key points:
- A 2004 Israel Security Agency report noted a 64% increase in minors involved in terrorism compared to 2003, linked to Hamas’s indoctrination.
- At a Hamas-run kindergarten graduation, 1,600 preschoolers wore military uniforms and carried mock rifles, with a five-year-old girl mimicking bloodied hands from the 2000 Ramallah lynching of two Israelis.
- Summer camps feature weapons training and propaganda, with Sheikh Bahar stating they instill “seeds of hate against Israel” in children.
- Hamas’s Islamic Student Movement distributes “Instruction Cards” with images of suicide bombers, encouraging youth to emulate them.
Evidence of Hamas Indoctrination in Gaza (Published January 3, 2024)
IDF proof: Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad use young children for Gaza terror activities | The Jerusalem Post
The IDF published on Wednesday collated photos and videos showing children undergoing military training, posing with weapons, and even simulated drills in a mock tunnel.www.jpost.com
ISGAP: What Hamas Leaders Actually Want – In Their Own Words (Published February 6, 2024)
- The Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy (ISGAP) cites Hamas’s 1988 charter, which calls for the annihilation of Israel and Jews, framing it as a religious duty. It quotes senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad (November 8, 2023), who said Hamas is “proud to sacrifice” Palestinians for its mission to exterminate Jews, viewing civilians as “martyrs.” The report references:
- Hamas’s October 7, 2023, attack, involving massacres, rapes, and abductions, as evidence of its anti-Semitic ideology in action.
- Videos and statements from Hamas leaders glorifying violence and dehumanizing Jews, aligning with the charter’s call for jihad.
Further:
- New York Post: Israeli Survivors Explain Hamas Indoctrination (Published October 30, 2023)
- Wilson Center: Doctrine of Hamas (Published October 19, 2023)
At this point, what do you do with a failed, terrorist state?
Keep funding it? Keep it alive?
History has shown that funding it the money and support is redirected to building terror tunnels, and slaughtering innocent people.
Well, in Vietnam it was a lot.If the Israelis stop bombing Gaza does that mean the destruction of the past conflict magically disappears? Do the dead suddenly come back to life?
How many Americans should be killed and how many cities flattened to stop our “objectively bad” country?
Well, in Vietnam it was a lot.
Provably depends on the war
Nope, Menachim Begin, for example, was absolutely a terrorist.This is a lie. If there were terrorists we would be talking about Palestine in the past tense. Terrorists with the power that Israel has and its region are called terrorists that are called dictators.
You said: How many Americans should be killed and how many cities flattened to stop our “objectively bad” country”A lot of American cities were flattened in the Vietnam war? Source for this claim?
You said: How many Americans should be killed and how many cities flattened to stop our “objectively bad” country”
I replied :in Vietnam, it was a lot.
Trying to deny America KIA rather proves my point.
You appear to still believe that there is still something redeeming about Hamas. Sorry, but I don't.When was the last election in Gaza?
What are the current age demographics in Gaza?
We both know that the majority of Palestinian adults in Gaza today didn't "elect" Hamas. That Hamas is the default government doesn't mean it's the government Palestinians would prefer. It means Hamas is the government Palestinians in the Strip are stuck with.
And it sure as heck doesn't mean that prior to October 7, 2023, the majority of Palestinians supported Hamas' attacks on Israel.
Nothing I've said on this thread or on other threads supports your opinion.You appear to still believe that there is still something redeeming about Hamas. Sorry, but I don't.
Nothing I've said on this thread or on other threads supports your opinion.It also seems that you believe that your Western value system and decision making applies to the Middle East as well as to Hamas and Palestinians in particular.
Your rude surprise is that they don't.
No, it's not at all valid to claim that today "Hamas and Palestinians are one and the same, and that distinction no longer has any difference."The grotesque reality is that the cycle we have been repeating decades now is going to continue, Hamas constantly creating and indoctrinating their next set of recruits replenishing their ranks.
This indoctrination has been going on for so long that Hamas and Palestinians are one and the same, and that distinction no longer has any difference.
Oh, so you are admitting your talk about KIA was worthless? Good to know.And I said source for your claim that a lot of American cities were flattened in Vietnam. Can you provide one?
2006. So, would you say that Hamas is a dictatorial government since they haven’t allowed election in 17 years?When was the last election in Gaza?
Well, they sure as **** supported them after Hamas murdered 1200 Israeli civilians.What are the current age demographics in Gaza?
We both know that the majority of Palestinian adults in Gaza today didn't "elect" Hamas. That Hamas is the default government doesn't mean it's the government Palestinians would prefer. It means Hamas is the government Palestinians in the Strip are stuck with.
And it sure as heck doesn't mean that prior to October 7, 2023, the majority of Palestinians supported Hamas' attacks on Israel.
You don't know much about it, I agree. Hamas is an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood, both had been supported by Israel to undermine the the Palestinian Authority. Why? Because the PA was effective, popular and was gaining Western sentiment in the efforts towards a 2 state solution. Israel did not want a 2 state solution. The MB and Hamas did their job, gained power and became the foil for Israel.So the moment they have disability to govern themselves they elect terrorists. Palestine is ruled by Hamas everyone points the finger at Israel for the problem but the problem is Hamas. I don't know why they choose Hamas to be there leader. I don't know if they were tricked into it or if it's based on some religious viewpoint or a combination of things.
Israel has murdered more innocent civilians in a single year than Hamas has in its entire existence.2006. So, would you say that Hamas is a dictatorial government since they haven’t allowed election in 17 years?
Well, they sure as **** supported them after Hamas murdered 1200 Israeli civilians.
Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign
The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.apnews.com
Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated.
When a prison population keeps being degraded for decades, they will become radicalized. When you allow radical groups to enter into the prison, and you support them, they often will gain the support of the population as you degrade them. Israel is not innocent in this matter.Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated.
Well, we know where you stand on the issue, right? “From the river to the sea”?Israel has murdered more innocent civilians in a single year than Hamas has in its entire existence.
It shows the empathy Palestinians possess that the number is not 100 percent in both cases.
No, the Palestinian Authority was what was left of Arafat's PLO, which was this close to a 2 state solution. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood who Israel allowed into Gaza to undercut the PA.The Palestinian authority is Hamas.
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