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Pagans are Un-American

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A pagan’s sole claim to fame is his refusal to accept and nurture the American Christian culture, as it has been bequeathed to us by our Christian forefathers. Pagan ideologues are best known for devil worship, and for pacifying the less fortunate and more troubled peoples worldwide--namely our enemies.

Pagans, atheists, infidels et al are usually found in the Democrat/Liberal halls of our Congress, where their political platform of appeasement, narcissism, and godless acts find a home, as seen in their abortion on demand (1million murders per year), the right for a man/boy love union (NAMBLA), and their unending quest to sodomize the marriage ritual, as seen and now mandated in the state of Massachusetts.

Most if not all of our American culture emanated from the contributions of the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages. The Catholic Church did not merely contribute to Western civilization--the Church ‘built’ that civilization. There was hardly a human enterprise of the early Middle Ages to which the monasteries did not contribute. The Scientific Revolution took root in a Western Europe whose theological and philosophical foundations, Catholic at their very core, proved fertile soil for the development of the Scientific enterprise. The mature idea of international law emerged from the late Scholastics, as did concepts central to the emergence of economics as a distinct discipline. These latter two contributions occurred under the auspices of the Church.

All these areas: economic thought, international law, science, university life, charity, religious ideas, art, morality--these are the very foundations of a civilization, and in the West every single one of them emerged from the heart of the Catholic Church.

So you can clearly see that America owes it’s Christian heritage and ensuing modern day culture to the Catholic Church and its religion.

My question to you pagans: Can you list all of the traits/ideals/customs that would clearly show to the majority of Christian America that you have contributed to our vibrant American culture? Feel free to cheat a little by wandering back to the Dark Ages in which to seek answers or suggestions to that dilemma.

Clearly my contribution to America has been my willingness and assiduous plan to unite all Americans under one Christian flag. I don’t take praise too easily, so please, refrain from making a spectacle of yourself.
 
A pagan’s sole claim to fame is his refusal to accept and nurture the American Christian culture, as it has been bequeathed to us by our Christian forefathers.

Oh? I don't recall seeing anyithing about Christianity in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Pagan ideologues are best known for devil worship

um, NO. Satanism and various forms of Paganism are very differant.

Pagans, atheists, infidels et al are usually found in the Democrat/Liberal halls of our Congress, where their political platform of appeasement, narcissism, and godless acts find a home

Back it up.

their abortion on demand (1million murders per year), the right for a man/boy love union (NAMBLA), and their unending quest to sodomize the marriage ritual, as seen and now mandated in the state of Massachusetts.

How is this related to pagans?

Most if not all of our American culture emanated from the contributions of the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages. The Catholic Church did not merely contribute to Western civilization--the Church ‘built’ that civilization. There was hardly a human enterprise of the early Middle Ages to which the monasteries did not contribute. The Scientific Revolution took root in a Western Europe whose theological and philosophical foundations, Catholic at their very core, proved fertile soil for the development of the Scientific enterprise. The mature idea of international law emerged from the late Scholastics, as did concepts central to the emergence of economics as a distinct discipline. These latter two contributions occurred under the auspices of the Church.

actually the church was a major retarding force. It was highly corrupt and utterly opposed to science. Look up Galileo.

All these areas: economic thought, international law, science, university life, charity, religious ideas, art, morality--these are the very foundations of a civilization, and in the West every single one of them emerged from the heart of the Catholic Church.

Not really. Lots of those things had already been thought up (look up the Islamic golden age) and things like ethics are relative. Also most of what you seem to be trying to get at emerged during the Reniassance, after the church lost power.

Clearly my contribution to America has been my willingness and assiduous plan to unite all Americans under one Christian flag. I don’t take praise too easily, so please, refrain from making a spectacle of yourself.

That's a contribution?
 
A pagan’s sole claim to fame is his refusal to accept and nurture the American Christian culture, as it has been bequeathed to us by our Christian forefathers. Pagan ideologues are best known for devil worship, and for pacifying the less fortunate and more troubled peoples worldwide--namely our enemies.
*snort*

Pagans, atheists, infidels et al are usually found in the Democrat/Liberal halls of our Congress, where their political platform of appeasement, narcissism, and godless acts find a home, as seen in their abortion on demand (1million murders per year), the right for a man/boy love union (NAMBLA), and their unending quest to sodomize the marriage ritual, as seen and now mandated in the state of Massachusetts.

*giggle*

Most if not all of our American culture emanated from the contributions of the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages. The Catholic Church did not merely contribute to Western civilization--the Church ‘built’ that civilization. There was hardly a human enterprise of the early Middle Ages to which the monasteries did not contribute. The Scientific Revolution took root in a Western Europe whose theological and philosophical foundations, Catholic at their very core, proved fertile soil for the development of the Scientific enterprise. The mature idea of international law emerged from the late Scholastics, as did concepts central to the emergence of economics as a distinct discipline. These latter two contributions occurred under the auspices of the Church.

All these areas: economic thought, international law, science, university life, charity, religious ideas, art, morality--these are the very foundations of a civilization, and in the West every single one of them emerged from the heart of the Catholic Church.

So you can clearly see that America owes it’s Christian heritage and ensuing modern day culture to the Catholic Church and its religion.

*chuckle* *snort*

My question to you pagans: Can you list all of the traits/ideals/customs that would clearly show to the majority of Christian America that you have contributed to our vibrant American culture? Feel free to cheat a little by wandering back to the Dark Ages in which to seek answers or suggestions to that dilemma.

*laugh*

Clearly my contribution to America has been my willingness and assiduous plan to unite all Americans under one Christian flag. I don’t take praise too easily, so please, refrain from making a spectacle of yourself.

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Oh man, that was good . . .
 
*chortle* willing and assiduous plan . . .

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Thanks, Kid. That was one in a million.
 
You're funny. Run along to your dodge viper and mamoth of a gf now.
 
This Trash belongs in the basement.

umm.... wait....

Does this qualify under the "Hate Speech" Rules????
 
You know I would have to agree with everyoine on this one. The Constitution says nothing about Christianity or any other specific religion.
It gives freedom to all religions
and as for what a Pagan is the definition says nothing about devil worship.
Pagan
pa·gan
–noun 1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks.
2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
3. an irreligious or hedonistic person.
–adjective 4. pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim.
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of pagans.
6. irreligious or hedonistic.
Hmm I see Jewish and Muslim in there as well
So basically a pagan doesn't worship the God of Abraham like the Jews, Muslims and Christians do.
 
tecoyah refrains from comment until this thread meets the fate of all the Kids threads.
 
Umm in stating that you weren't going to comment didn't you just comment?
 
AHHHHH I see now. Thank you for clearing that up
 
About what I expected. All of you made a spectacle of yourselves by turning this into an attack the 'KID'--without answering the question as to what exactly have 'pagans' contributed to our modern day American culture? Please try again, but remember--three strikes and you're out for good!
 
About what I expected. All of you made a spectacle of yourselves by turning this into an attack the 'KID'--without answering the question as to what exactly have 'pagans' contributed to our modern day American culture? Please try again, but remember--three strikes and you're out for good!

Of course it's what you expected; it's all you deserve. I learned my lesson about trying to debate seriously with you, Kid, and it seems everyone else has learned it as well. Normally I would follow Thelost1's lead and tear your entire premise apart, but there isn't any point: you wouldn't be able to follow my arguments, or respond with any rational ones of your own.

If you troll, and then debate, you might get some arguments. But when all you can do is troll and then crow about how you have won when there was never any challenge given or accepted in the first place, you get laughed at. IF you don't like it, I think you know how to change it.

Good luck with your thread.
 
Of course it's what you expected; it's all you deserve. I learned my lesson about trying to debate seriously with you, Kid, and it seems everyone else has learned it as well. Normally I would follow Thelost1's lead and tear your entire premise apart, but there isn't any point: you wouldn't be able to follow my arguments, or respond with any rational ones of your own.


***Don't be so hasty, you still have one remaining strike. I would certainly enjoy seeing you tear apart my premise (and factual data) of how the Catholic Church, i.e. Christianity isn't directly responsible for contributing most if not all of our modern day American culture. Aside from that, the more overriding factor to consider using your last strike for--would be to answer the pressing question as to what exactly have modern or bygone pagans contributed to the American culture. I can see your dilemma here, for I used to strike out on the slow curve ball almost every time, until of course...I learned to choke up and step up closer to the plate.
 
Thelost1 said, “Oh? I don't recall seeing anyithing about Christianity in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.”


When did the drafting of the Constitution take place?

I believe it says "in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-seven."


What did the term “Lord” mean to the participants in the Constitution?
It meant Jesus Christ. He was Lord.

We are not today a Christian nation. But the evidence is overwhelming that we were at that time a Christian nation, and that most the founding fathers, had a belief in God, and Jesus Christ.

If you look at the Constitution you see that it's linked with the Christian calendar. Article 1, section 7 exempts Sunday as a day to be counted within which the president may veto legislation.

If the framers had wanted to strip everything about religion away why include a reference to an obvious religious observance?

You need to read the individual state constitutions, such as Delawares, New Jerseys, Georgias, Marylands, Massachusetts, New Hampshires, North and South Carolinas, Pennsylvanias....they all acknowledged God had a hand in their founding. Whats interesting, is that in most states you had to be a Christian even to hold office. I wonder why?

Here are just a few examples most of which I collected from Gary Demars book on Americas Christian Heritage.

James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution of the United States, said this:
"We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."


Why would he use the Ten Commandments as a model? Who does he mean by ‘we”? How should we be governed?
Now if the rest of the signers were pagan……why would he make such a remark?


“The Holy Scriptures . . . can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability, and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase our penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses.
James McHenry, Signer of Constitution, Sec'y of War

“One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is part of the Common Law. . . . There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundations. . . . I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society.”

-- US Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story,
Founder of Harvard Law School

“Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age, by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, of inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity. . . and, in subordination to these great principles, the love of their country. . . . In short, of leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.”

-- Sam Adams 1790 [To John Adams, who wrote back:
"You and I agree."]


How about our first Court Justice, John Jay?

He stated that when we select our national leaders, if we are to preserve our Nation, we must select Christians.

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian Nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."


John Adams, our second president, who also in fact served as chairman of the American Bible Society had this to say to the military leaders of his day, "We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and true religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

A President who was chairman of the Bible society? How about separation of church and state? Could a president today do thi job?


I have hundreds of quotes and examples like these that I have collected, but I’ll end by giving these …….


"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." George Washington in his farwell address.

“Thomas Jefferson wrote on the front of his well-worn Bible: "I am a Christian, that is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also."


Patrick Henry said this……..”"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."


I think Henry said it all.
 
Can I use all three of my strikes at once?

To answer your question, what is American culture? Is American culture the "American dream", that everyone has a chance to be wealthy? Must not be because that goes against Christianity. Is American culture contraceptives and basic sexual freedom? Nope - that goes against Jesus, must not be. Is American culture football on Sundays? Well the Pope came out against that one so - nope!

I'm reaching to see how American culture is really related in any important way to Christianity. As much as you wish it wasn't, America IS a secular nation.

doughgirl, this country was Christian at one point, but through education and the rule of the people as well as modernization, it is not a Christian nation anymore, so arguing such is quite irrelevant.
 
About what I expected. All of you made a spectacle of yourselves by turning this into an attack the 'KID'--without answering the question as to what exactly have 'pagans' contributed to our modern day American culture? Please try again, but remember--three strikes and you're out for good!

"all of you"? What about me?
 
You theocrats crack me up.... United under a Christian Flag? And you claim to be a patriot? :roll:
 
Have you ever argued with the Kid before? If not, I would advise against any high expectations. He will disappoint you.

You made your points, you're right; he'll never admit it and never give you a stand-up fight. Don't try.

Always a first time for everything!
 
No, seriously, he doesnt understand logic, he dodges, his arguments are never logically consistent, and he insists that his alleged bloodline from one of our founding father's justifies his very unamerican theocratic claims.
 
No, seriously, he doesnt understand logic, he dodges, his arguments are never logically consistent, and he insists that his alleged bloodline from one of our founding father's justifies his very unamerican theocratic claims.

Which one?
I'd not like to think that he and I are related, however distantly.
 
Which one?
I'd not like to think that he and I are related, however distantly.

You're descended from a founding father? Cool. Which one?
 
You're descended from a founding father? Cool. Which one?

Both Robert R Livingston and Francis Lewis, supposedly (and I would say "related", not directly descended).
I'm also supposed to be distantly related to Mary Todd Lincoln.
The family member who did our genealogy seemed to have a vested interest in linking us to historical figures, so I'm not sure how much stock to put in it all.
 
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