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Opinion: There is no First Amendment right to obstruct law enforcement

I have no real beef with that.

Once you commit arson* or looting, I think you can safely be called a bad guy.
I used to believe in arresting and jailing rioters and looters (and I’m not necessarily against that btw) but have noticed that some politicians on the Left and Right support bailing these criminals out of jail or outright pardoning them (as in the case of the J6ers). Not only is this horribly unjust, such actions only serve to embolden said criminals. So we may as well just kill them and save everybody a pile of trouble down the road.
(* Does not apply to Ukrainian partisans yesterday. They're fine.)
I recently wrote and self-published a retelling of Hansel & Gretel that takes place in Ukraine during the Russky invasion.

Mark
 
I wonder why @Questerr wants ICE officers and their family members to be hunted down via facial recognition.
Let's first remind Questerr what doxing is, to publicly identify or publish private information about (someone) especially as a form of punishment or revenge.

I want armed government agents who have been arresting brown people, including US citizens, to be required to identify themselves.
 
I used to believe in arresting and jailing rioters and looters (and I’m not necessarily against that btw) but have noticed that some politicians on the Left and Right support bailing these criminals out of jail or outright pardoning them (as in the case of the J6ers). Not only is this horribly unjust, such actions only serve to embolden said criminals. So we may as well just kill them and save everybody a pile of trouble down the road.
It worked in the 1860s.

Gonna give the caveat that if they surrender, they get a trial.
I recently wrote and self-published a retelling of Hansel & Gretel that takes place in Ukraine during the Russky invasion.

Mark
Well, this was closer to the three little pigs. Partisans planted incindiaries around a Russian command post in the woods NE of Melitopel and then burned the forest down with the Russians still in it.

If they didn't want to get hurt, they should have stayed out of the pit, as we used to say in the 80s.
 
It worked in the 1860s.

Gonna give the caveat that if they surrender, they get a trial.

Well, this was closer to the three little pigs. Partisans planted incindiaries around a Russian command post in the woods NE of Melitopel and then burned the forest down with the Russians still in it.

If they didn't want to get hurt, they should have stayed out of the pit, as we used to say in the 80s.
In my version of H&G, a Russian soldier gets pushed into a fiery oven and baked alive instead of an old woman. It’s a great scene.

Mark
 
In my version of H&G, a Russian soldier gets pushed into a fiery oven and baked alive instead of an old woman. It’s a great scene.

Mark
Old women have value, so I like your version better.
 
didn't Newsome just pass a law ICE can't use facial masking?? why the hell would anyone require an agent name on their uniform?
The uniform has markings and insignia
If someone gets arrested -the cops name is in the arrest report. If not the doxxing of ICE doesn't happen. no brainer

or quit the doxxing....lol...no
I have been arrested twice. Stopped by cops for occasional traffic violations. They all had badges with numbers and most all had name tags. What your post suggest you support is the same I saw happening in Central America in the 1970s80s. Police and army in plainclothes with no ID’s kidnapped and killed people’s by the thousands. The only difference now is that Trump often has sent them to countries that they know nothing about. I repeat my question posed elsewhere: would I be justified in violently resisting someone in a mask who attempts to kidnap me without telling me who he is or where I am to be taken?

Trump today praised El Salvador’s government, the one whose awful prison we learned about a short while ago. Is anyone surprised?
 
Without a name and badge number, how can an officer be identified?
why do they need to be identified unless they make an arrest? There is a lot of shoving some time, but unless it escalates to an arrest there isn't demonstrable harm.
 
I want armed government agents who have been arresting brown people, including US citizens, to be required to identify themselves.
arresting officers are named in the arrest report
 
arresting officers are named in the arrest report
Officers who are guilty of misconduct but not the arresting officers shouldnt be anonymous
 
like what?
All kinds of misconduct takes place.
bashing people in the head without an arrest would lead to an internal investigation and the rogue cop would be identified
Would he? You sure about that?

Police do a horrible job of investigating their own. The "blue wall".

"Police officers may not report on their own misconduct or crimes due to the "blue wall of silence," an unwritten code of silence that discourages reporting on colleagues. This culture of solidarity stems from a belief in unconditional support for fellow officers and can result in retaliation against whistleblowers, ostracism, blacklisting, or danger. The blue wall of silence is often seen as an informal, though problematic, way to protect officers, even if it leads to covering up police misconduct and undermining accountability. "
 
Illegal aliens willfully breaking into the U.S. aren't the same as slaves who were brought there against their will.

Mark
Agreed and any assertion or claim that they are is just pure unadulterated bullshit.
 
I used to believe in arresting and jailing rioters and looters (and I’m not necessarily against that btw) but have noticed that some politicians on the Left and Right support bailing these criminals out of jail or outright pardoning them (as in the case of the J6ers). Not only is this horribly unjust, such actions only serve to embolden said criminals. So we may as well just kill them and save everybody a pile of trouble down the road.

I recently wrote and self-published a retelling of Hansel & Gretel that takes place in Ukraine during the Russky invasion.

Mark

Do you not know that the police arrested a lot of protesters who did not engage in rioting and looting?
 
I want armed government agents who have been arresting brown people, including US citizens, to be required to identify themselves.
The federal government can keep their federal ICE agents masked when performing their duties. You can cry about it too.
 
arresting officers are named in the arrest report

Not for ICE detainees. They aren’t “arrested” so no such report is filed, at least none visible by the detainee themselves.
 
In Boston for instance the opposition to racial desegregation in every respect was centered in the South Boston district....
Opposition to desegregation, and the fights over busing, was not limited to South Boston. It wasn't just Southies who refused to cooperate with the Racial Imbalance Act.

Don't forget, one of the "solutions" to the busing crisis was White students switching to private schools; and White flight out of urban centers to heavily White suburbs, often "protected" from busing and Blacks by redlining and discrimination. Boston public school attendance dropped by 40-60% during the crisis. That wasn't all happening in South Boston.

A black family lived two houses from us and one of its kids and I became BFF for a good while there until they moved to super liberal and expensive Lexington. All the way up through public school there were black faces in the halls and classrooms as if it had always been so -- and was in fact so from long before Brown v Board.
That's nice, but unprovable anecdotes do not refute anything I said. There was -- and still is -- lots of de facto racial segregation all over the US. Redlining, job discrimination, higher ed, the list goes on.

Boston conducted its own school desegregation business without the state's National Guard and without the 101st Airborne Division both of which were required in the hard core Confederate South where vicious racism permeated every aspect of life.
Again, if you're trying to say that "it was only the Southies that were racist in the 70s!" then I am absolutely not buying it.

Yes, I know that many Northerners like to feel all smug about how they're morally superior to the South. The North certainly was enough of an improvement that millions of Blacks moved north for decades. It also certainly was not, and is not, a post-racist society.

As to the whole of your posting self indulgence
Talking about the history of racism in the US is "self indulgence?" Who knew? :D

....the weak and feeble liberals are better for America than are the domestically centered fascist aggressor and sorehead alternative. The problem is that for the liberals to succeed in government they can't have a fundamentally fascist opposition because it's wiping 'em out and rather easily at that. Indeed, now that the fascists are in complete charge in Washington -- which your post ignores to dwell in the past -- you need to be advised the '24 election looks with each passing week as fixed in time to become the last free and fair election and federal voting in the USA.
And again, none of that refutes anything I've said. As a reminder, my points are:

- MAGA is nowhere near as numerous as you seem to assume.
- Civil rights aren't all that much more popular today than in the past, and movements that use civil disobedience certainly don't need to be popular to succeed.
- Non-violent civil resistance and civil disobedience works and can definitely take down autocratic regimes -- equally, if not slightly better, than violent resistance.

I'd add that giving up now is pretty much the worst thing you can do. That's what the authoritarians want you to do. The reality is that they're much weaker than you think, and they only get away with it if you let them beat you without even putting up a fight.
 
I used to believe in arresting and jailing rioters and looters (and I’m not necessarily against that btw) but have noticed that some politicians on the Left and Right support bailing these criminals out of jail or outright pardoning them (as in the case of the J6ers). Not only is this horribly unjust, such actions only serve to embolden said criminals. So we may as well just kill them and save everybody a pile of trouble down the road.
Wow. That is just super messed up.

You do know that due process is a right, yes? Police can't just murder criminals because you think putting them on trial is inconvenient.

You do know that bail is a constitutionally protected right, yes? You didn't miss that bit?

This isn't merely a moral disaster, it's also a practical failure. Shooting protesters does not magically dissuade anyone from protesting or destroying property. It often exacerbates violence, creates martyrs, and delegitimizes the governments. This should be screamingly obvious from a long history of protests around the world.

There's lots of research on how to handle protests and keep them from getting out of hand, and "shoot on sight" is not part of those recommendations. Basically, police need to de-escalate, not inflame protesters by murdering them.

Trump pardoning J6 protesters was certainly unjust. But the solution was not for police to open fire on thousands of protesters. Capitol police would have still been outnumbered, still unable to defend the Capitol building, and would have almost certainly sparked more violence by the protesters -- as well as piss off MAGA around the US. Look at how just one protester shot by police (Babbit) was turned into a martyr.
 
Opposition to desegregation, and the fights over busing, was not limited to South Boston. It wasn't just Southies who refused to cooperate with the Racial Imbalance Act.

Boston public school attendance dropped by 40-60% during the crisis. That wasn't all happening in South Boston.

Again, if you're trying to say that "it was only the Southies that were racist in the 70s!" then I am absolutely not buying it.
Your post is completely wrong -- and inside out backwards.

My post you're mangling and strangling is clear that in my own words....

"In Boston for instance the opposition to racial desegregation in every respect was centered in the South Boston district....Boston conducted its own school desegregation business without the state's National Guard and without the 101st Airborne Division both of which were required in the hard core Confederate South where vicious racism permeated every aspect of life."


I lived through it so I never said in my post -- nor have I ever said anywhere, anytime to anyone -- it was only in South Boston aka "Southie."

My post continued....

"While Boston liberals lost a lot of points during the long running and fierce "forced" busing commotion, it was the liberal Kevin White who won election as Mayor over the darling of the "Southie" crowd citywide, the fatso Louise Day Hicks -- White was reelected four years later leading Boston through the racial commotion. During this time Michael Dukakis was elected governor three times. Each White and Dukakis supported the US District Court takeover of the city's public schools in compliance with the Brown v Board ruling of the Supreme Court in 1954."

My point being voters in Boston, Metro Boston and throughout the Commonwealth supported racial desegregation of the state's public schools. The vast majority of the voters opposed the closed minded sometimes violent resistance of the hermits of "Southie" who egged on others in the City and the Commonwealth in that losing cause of the time and for decades afterward.


Your slipshod post about all of this is completely wrong. I have no interest whatsoever to participate in this.
 
Yeah, it's amazing how much the Left will twist and distort things.

Mark
Yeah, it's their stock and trade, and it is that twisting and distortions on which their propaganda smear campaigns are based, and if you look at the posts here in these forums, you can see those who obviously have been taken in by it, and are under that spell.
 
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