Opinion | Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat

[Chomsky]

Opinion | Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat

The power of incumbency and a Trumpified GOP give Biden the advantage in 2024.

www.politico.com

That said, he’s in the office, and no one else is. Incumbency bestows important advantages. The sitting president is highly visible, is the only civilian in the country who gets saluted by Marines walking out his door every day, has established a certain threshold ability to do the job, and can wield awesome powers to help his cause and that of his party.

Since the midterms and likely in anticipation of a reelection campaign, Biden, who usually does whatever his party wants him to do, has shown a small independent streak. It’s hardly Bill Clinton-level triangulation, but the president is apparently mindful of the need to make a few feints to the center and of how progressive squawking can help him look more moderate.

*emphasis mine

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The above is an O.K. pro-Biden article, but I found the parts I bolded in the excerpts to be particularly interesting!

Essentially:

1] Incumbency gives Biden great powers to help his party (something we saw evidenced in the midterms during his national addresses with his delineation of "MAGA v The Republican Party")

2] Biden fully embraces Dem Party Liberalism, while occasional doing some minor "feints to the center" that rile-up the very vocal hard-core Party Lefties, giving the perception he is more moderate than he is

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I was well aware of #1, but couldn't quite put my finger on #2 until I just now saw it in print. Yes I now agree that's what I believe I see with Biden, and what I had a hard time quantifying.

The article, besides other points, also promotes the advantage of Dem unity over the GOP fragmentation over Trump. But, I already knew that. it was point #2 above that caught my attention, adding insight to what I couldn't quite quantify.

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So, is that what Biden's doing? Point #2? If so, I find it ingenious!

 

[Ginger Ale]

Delusional sounds about right. They'll ripe each other to shreds by the time 24' rolls around and Trump will be standing there appreciating the divide as usual. He loves that shit.
I imagine by the 26' we will have only one, maybe two, republicans holding any office.

 

[Mycroft]

Opinion | Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat

The power of incumbency and a Trumpified GOP give Biden the advantage in 2024.

www.politico.com

*emphasis mine

--

The above is an O.K. pro-Biden article, but I found the parts I bolded in the excerpts to be particularly interesting!

Essentially:

1] Incumbency gives Biden great powers to help his party, something we saw evidenced in the midterms during his national addresses, with his delineation of "MAGA v The Republican Party"

2] Biden fully embraces Dem Party Liberalism, while occasional doing some minor "feints to the center" that rile-up the very vocal hard-core Party Lefties, giving the perception he is more moderate than he is

I was well aware of #1, but couldn't quite put my finger on #2 until I just now saw it in print. Yes I now agree that's what I believe I see with Biden, and what I had a hard time quantifying.

The article, besides other points, also promotes the advantage of Dem unity over the GOP fragmentation over Trump. But, I already knew that. it was point #2 above that caught my attention, adding insight to what I couldn't quite quantify.

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So, is that what Biden's doing? Point #2? If so, I find it ingenious!

"Biden" isn't doing anything except following orders and making the occasional gaffe.

But your thread title is correct...just not for the couple of reasons you present.

Corruption and crime will ensure Biden wins again...if he even runs again.

 

[Chomsky]

Delusional sounds about right. They'll ripe each other to shreds by the time 24' rolls around and Trump will be standing there appreciating the divide as usual. He loves that shit.

I might agree.

I imagine by the 26' we will have only one, maybe two, republicans holding any office.

I assume you're using hyperbole to make your point?

But the long & short for me is, Biden has turned-out being a much shrewder playing than I ever imagined.

I think he learned much on how not to deal with or trust the Republicans, under Obama.

 

[Chomsky]

"Biden" isn't doing anything except following orders and making the occasional gaffe.

But your thread title is correct...just not for the couple of reasons you present.

Corruption and crime will ensure Biden wins again...if he even runs again.

I don't follow the logic in the bolded, at all.

But I will say, Biden has shown himself to be a shrewder player than I imagined. And ,I suspect that he learned from Obama's dealing with the Republicans. He had no pretensions of compromise, but rather went at it from day one, with or without them.

 

[Lutherf]

Biden will not be beat. It's unlikely that we will ever have another Republican president. The election process has been "fixed" enough to prevent that kind of thing from ever happening again.

 

[Ishm]

The gop could easily beat Biden with a fully sane, articulate, non narcicistic, centrist conservative who doesn't bow to maga. Unfortunately they will never (currently at least) elect that person in a primary because their hard right and maga groups are too f'ing dumb to see it.

 

[Jessie C]

The gop could easily beat Biden with a fully sane, articulate, non narcicistic, centrist conservative who doesn't bow to maga. Unfortunately they will never (currently at least) elect that person in a primary because their hard right and maga groups are too f'ing dumb to see it.

True that!!!

 

[MamboDervish]

Opinion | Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat​

They live in their own little grotto - a circle jerk echo chamber where they buy and sell Biden’s perceived shortcomings to each other, and they convince themselves that the rest of the country is buying what they’re selling. They breathe each other’s Methane, never come up for fresh air, and can’t see reality through that thick miasmic haze. But their biggest delusion is thinking Trump has any hope in hades of regaining the Oval Office. Some Republican might, but Trump has no chance.

 

[Chomsky]

Biden will not be beat. It's unlikely that we will ever have another Republican president. The election process has been "fixed" enough to prevent that kind of thing from ever happening again.

Trump & MAGA have, unfortunately, poisoned the well for Republicans in terms of national elections to the Presidency. If they can eschew MAGA (& Q-Anon!), and figure-out how to elect a non-MAGA candidate, I believe they'll be more likely to rise to the White House,

But, they'll never do it with Trump leading the Party.

I usually don't reply to posts proclaiming fixed elections, but must point-out those Republican beliefs bode well for the Dem Party.

So, whatever you do . . . do not vote by mail! Do not vote early! Do not vote absentee! Tell your friends! Tell everyone Republican you know! And, keep up the good work!

 

[Mycroft]

I don't follow the logic in the bolded, at all.

But I will say, Biden has shown himself to be a shrewder player than I imagined. And ,I suspect that he learned from Obama's dealing with the Republicans. He had no pretensions of compromise, but rather went at it from day one, with or without them.

You still think Biden is making decisions. You are wrong.

 

[iguanaman]

Opinion | Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat

The power of incumbency and a Trumpified GOP give Biden the advantage in 2024.

www.politico.com

*emphasis mine

--

The above is an O.K. pro-Biden article, but I found the parts I bolded in the excerpts to be particularly interesting!

Essentially:

1] Incumbency gives Biden great powers to help his party (something we saw evidenced in the midterms during his national addresses with his delineation of "MAGA v The Republican Party")

2] Biden fully embraces Dem Party Liberalism, while occasional doing some minor "feints to the center" that rile-up the very vocal hard-core Party Lefties, giving the perception he is more moderate than he is

--

I was well aware of #1, but couldn't quite put my finger on #2 until I just now saw it in print. Yes I now agree that's what I believe I see with Biden, and what I had a hard time quantifying.

The article, besides other points, also promotes the advantage of Dem unity over the GOP fragmentation over Trump. But, I already knew that. it was point #2 above that caught my attention, adding insight to what I couldn't quite quantify.

--

So, is that what Biden's doing? Point #2? If so, I find it ingenious!

LOL "Democrat party liberalism" is what was called being an American 50 years ago. Biden has not changed it is the Right that has. It is as obvious as can be to anyone over 50. Since when has helping our middle class been a radical idea? They are the backbone of this nation.

 

[Lutherf]

Trump & MAGA have, unfortunately, poisoned the well for Republicans in terms of national elections to the Presidency. If they can eschew MAGA (& Q-Anon!), and figure-out how to elect a non-MAGA candidate, I believe they'll be more likely to rise to the White House,

But, they'll never do it with Trump leading the Party.

I usually don't reply to posts proclaiming fixed elections, but must point-out those Republican beliefs bode well for the Dem Party.

So, whatever you do . . . do not vote by mail! Do not vote early! Do not vote Absentee! Tell your friends! Tell everyone you know! Keep up the good work!

Right. Unless Republicans become Democrats, like the establishment wants, they'll never get elected again.

When the Democrats and the GOP become, effectively, the same team it makes no sense to run as a Republican other than for the sake of perpetuating the illusion that there are two parties in the US.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

"Biden" isn't doing anything except following orders and making the occasional gaffe.

But your thread title is correct...just not for the couple of reasons you present.

Corruption and crime will ensure Biden wins again...if he even runs again.

Who is he taking orders from?

 

[mrjurrs]

I might agree.



I assume you're using hyperbole to make your point?

But the long & short for me is, Biden has turned-out being a much shrewder playing than I ever imagined.

I think he learned much on how not to deal with or trust the Republicans, under Obama.

Or the reality that he has spent 50 years playing politics in DC...

 

[Cope]

Opinion | Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat

The power of incumbency and a Trumpified GOP give Biden the advantage in 2024.

www.politico.com

*emphasis mine

--

The above is an O.K. pro-Biden article, but I found the parts I bolded in the excerpts to be particularly interesting!

Essentially:

1] Incumbency gives Biden great powers to help his party (something we saw evidenced in the midterms during his national addresses with his delineation of "MAGA v The Republican Party")

2] Biden fully embraces Dem Party Liberalism, while occasional doing some minor "feints to the center" that rile-up the very vocal hard-core Party Lefties, giving the perception he is more moderate than he is

--

I was well aware of #1, but couldn't quite put my finger on #2 until I just now saw it in print. Yes I now agree that's what I believe I see with Biden, and what I had a hard time quantifying.

The article, besides other points, also promotes the advantage of Dem unity over the GOP fragmentation over Trump. But, I already knew that. it was point #2 above that caught my attention, adding insight to what I couldn't quite quantify.

--

So, is that what Biden's doing? Point #2? If so, I find it ingenious!

No incumbent is ever easy to beat, however it is pretty clear to me that he is just too old. He walks like he can barely get around. He doesn't speak off the cuff well. Lacks charisma. Etc

It will take a worthwhile Republican to beat him, but I do think he is well on his way to getting beat if he runs. Just not by Trump.

 

[Chomsky]

The gop could easily beat Biden with a fully sane, articulate, non narcicistic, centrist conservative who doesn't bow to maga. Unfortunately they will never (currently at least) elect that person in a primary because their hard right and maga groups are too f'ing dumb to see it.

MAGA, IMO, is the biggest problem. And the two most likely GOP nominees are MAGA - through & through!

In my OP I called-out the strength in the Presidentially bully pulpit, as Biden used it to draw national attention in using MAGA as a wedge within the Republican Party.

Biden didn't attack Republicans. He attacked the MAGA wing, thereby dividing the Party in the eyes of the country. it was ingenious, IMO.

 

[Chomsky]

Opinion | Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat​

They live in their own little grotto - a circle jerk echo chamber where they buy and sell Biden’s perceived shortcomings to each other, and they convince themselves that the rest of the country is buying what they’re selling. They breathe each other’s Methane, never come up for fresh air, and can’t see reality through that thick miasmic haze. But their biggest delusion is thinking Trump has any hope in hades of regaining the Oval Office. Some Republican might, but Trump has no chance.

Exactly!

They tell us how smart Trump is, how he's playing "14 level chess". Yet, Trump always loses.

Conversely they tell us how stupid & senile Biden is. Yet, Biden always wins.

Given the reality of the track records involved, I think we have to say what they're selling is a bit suspect!

 

[devildavid]

"Biden" isn't doing anything except following orders and making the occasional gaffe.

But your thread title is correct...just not for the couple of reasons you present.

Corruption and crime will ensure Biden wins again...if he even runs again.

Your faux analysis is dismissed.

 

[devildavid]

You still think Biden is making decisions. You are wrong.

You still think you are contributing to rational adult discourse. You are wrong.

 

[Chomsky]

You still think Biden is making decisions. You are wrong.

I think he's shrewdly playing to his Party, while giving head feints to enough Indies to carry him over the line.

But, it doesn't really matter. It's working, and that's good enough.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Trump may very well run as an independent to suck MAGA votes away from DeSantis should he win the convention.

 

[Mycroft]

Who is he taking orders from?

The 90+% of his administration who came from the Obama administration.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Opinion | Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat

The power of incumbency and a Trumpified GOP give Biden the advantage in 2024.

www.politico.com

*emphasis mine

--

The above is an O.K. pro-Biden article, but I found the parts I bolded in the excerpts to be particularly interesting!

Essentially:

1] Incumbency gives Biden great powers to help his party (something we saw evidenced in the midterms during his national addresses with his delineation of "MAGA v The Republican Party")

2] Biden fully embraces Dem Party Liberalism, while occasional doing some minor "feints to the center" that rile-up the very vocal hard-core Party Lefties, giving the perception he is more moderate than he is

--

I was well aware of #1, but couldn't quite put my finger on #2 until I just now saw it in print. Yes I now agree that's what I believe I see with Biden, and what I had a hard time quantifying.

The article, besides other points, also promotes the advantage of Dem unity over the GOP fragmentation over Trump. But, I already knew that. it was point #2 above that caught my attention, adding insight to what I couldn't quite quantify.

--

So, is that what Biden's doing? Point #2? If so, I find it ingenious!

I don't think feeble Joe will be the nominee in 2024.

 

[Chomsky]

LOL "Democrat party liberalism" is what was called being an American 50 years ago. Biden has not changed it is the Right that has. It is as obvious as can be to anyone over 50. Since when has helping our middle class been a radical idea? They are the backbone of this nation.

Alright, fair point.

I'd argue in cultural terms, Dems are more Liberal today. But in economic terms, they have a great deal Clintonian Third-Way Neo-Conservatism to unwind, including from under Obama as well.

However, that the last two elections' #2 - and almost prevailing - nomination candidate proclaims himself a "Socialist", might expose a possible chink in your argument.