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Well, we are talking about lawyer-type stuff here, and laws can be pretty lengthy. How long or short is the average "friend of the Court" legal brief? Do those things get routinely ignored?10 bucks says he replies: "tl;dr".
Well, we are talking about lawyer-type stuff here, and laws can be pretty lengthy. How long or short is the average "friend of the Court" legal brief? Do those things get routinely ignored?
I'm aware that is a significant possibility, if for no reason other than the fact I'm sure each Justice has a staff that does things like read mail. On the other hand, email has taken over the world, and snail-mail is pretty rare by comparison nowadays. I can hope that the relative unusual-ness of receiving an on-paper letter might make a difference there.I would bet that since you sent it anonymously those letters never even got to the judges.
REGARDLESS OF THAT, it is about personhood and the Constitution. Lots of folks seem to think that before the Roe v Wade Decision, unborn humans qualified as persons in the USA. Nope!As for what I think of the letter itself. It's obviously a pro-abortion letter.
THE JOB of a judge is to hear both sides of a case. And according to what I've read about how the Supreme Court does things, the Justices discuss various aspects of a case among themselves before reaching a Decision. So if my letter gets read by even one of them, key points are likely to get discussed by all of them.It will be ignored by a conservative judge.
THEY WILL KNOW ABOUT LEGAL STUFF ALREADY ASSOCIATED WITH ET. They will know about India granting legal-person status to dolphins. Do you really think that the bigoted notion that only humans can be persons can prevail among the Justices? And remember that just about the very first thing in the letter is the statement that the Constitution uses the word "person" throughout, and doesn't use the word "human" even once...that part will get read before discovering anything in the letter about ET, or which side of the Overall Abortion Debate the letter supports!And it will be ignored by all judges because you're talking about ET's in there also.
YET EVEN THAT is preceded by "there happens to be an extremely easy way to understand what a person truly is" --when **you** read the part about the severed head, did you fail to think about the nature of personhood? Not even after any immediate revulsion had diminished? The idea here (behind the including of that in the letter) was on a par with telling someone to not think about green elephants....Not to mention the whole "severed head" bit you had going on would probably put them off.
The first sentence was intended to be humorous, and to pique interest. In order to find out how the rest of the letter is "laughable", It Logically Follows that the letter needs to be read....Probably about as effective as a 17 page resume. May be filled with wonderful stuff...but it wont wont make it past the first sentence.
Just sayin...I sincerely doubt a Supreme Court Justice is interested in your opinion or wit. I am also relatively certain that it probably never made it past a legal assistant somewhere...who also didnt read past the first line.The first sentence was intended to be humorous, and to pique interest. In order to find out how the rest of the letter is "laughable", It Logically Follows that the letter needs to be read....
Do keep in mind that not all the Justices are political conservatives, and that not all legal assistants are political conservatives, and that I sent somewhat similar letters to all the other Justices...so if the Justices discuss details of issues before reaching a Decision, there is a chance that points raised in those letters will get discussed.Just sayin...I sincerely doubt a Supreme Court Justice is interested in your opinion or wit. I am also relatively certain that it probably never made it past a legal assistant somewhere...who also didnt read past the first line.
Do keep in mind that not all the Justices are political conservatives, and that not all legal assistants are political conservatives, and that I sent somewhat similar letters to all the other Justices...so if the Justices discuss details of issues before reaching a Decision, there is a chance that points raised in those letters will get discussed.
I'm sure that any ordinary person opposing abortion will desperately want those points to get ignored, entirely because no ordinary abortion opponent has any rationale for showing that those points are legally flawed. But only time will tell if such ignoring actually happens....
STUPIDLY FALSE. I want minds to be considered people, since that is Objectively Verifiable Fact. And if you somehow think that humans are not animals, maybe you should go back to 3rd grade. And we expect intelligent extraterrestrial alien beings to often have animal bodies, too! (Some aliens might have robot bodies; do you have a problem with that, a problem of Stupid Prejudice?) All persons will have minds in common, regardless of what kind of bodies they have.You want animals to be considered people
THEY ARE ONLY MINDLESS ANIMALS, not even as smart as dogs. Are you planning on granting person status to dogs, because they are smarter than unborn humans? Or are you simply exhibiting Stupid Prejudice?, but believe unborn human
THE WORD "BEINGS" IS JUST A SYNONYM FOR THE WORD "PERSONS". How can you possibly think that merely calling some entity a person makes it qualify as a person? If you imagined that the forest contained "deer beings", would you oppose hunting season in that forest?beings
HAVE YOU ANY EVIDENCE THAT UNBORN HUMANS QUALIFY AS "BEINGS"??? If you do, let's see it!!! Because all the evidence I've ever seen indicates that they qualify only as mere-animal entities. What was that, at the start of your post, about wanting animals to be considered people???in the womb are not.
THE IDIOCY SPOUTED BY ABORTION OPPONENTS IS FAR WORSE. Their Stupid Prejudice about the word "human" means they want 100% human hydatidiform moles to be declared persons with rights! Tsk, tsk!That's about as idiotic as it gets.
OF COURSE YOU DON'T. You apparently want Stupid Prejudice to be in charge of the Law of the Land. Tsk, tsk!I hope Justice Gorsuch didn't waste his valuable time with this nonsense. :roll:
YOUR TYPICAL GENERIC DENUNCIATION IS AS WORTHLESS AS IT AS EVER BEEN. When will you point out an actual specific flaw in even one of my arguments, and explain in detail why the thing you point out qualifies as flawed? So long as you don't do that, everyone else is free to think you are simply spouting a Stupid Lie. Tsk, tsk!It's also laughably devoid of merit or sanity, so there is that.
I WOULDN'T BE A BIT SURPRISED IF ABORTION OPPONENTS MAKE SUCH A CLAIM, JUST SO THEY CAN EXCUSE THEIR FUNDAMENTAL STUPID PREJUDICE. What is YOUR answer to my Question, "IF you were visiting a modern well-equipped medical laboratory, and some madman with a machete cut your head off in an attempt to murder you, but rescuers arrived in time, would you want them to save your headless human body, or save your severed head, to save YOU-the-person?"Scientists studying what makes something a person is the dumbest thing ever.
TRUEThe concept of a person is a human creation
FALSE. When humans claim that their personhood makes them superior to ordinary animals, it is a perfectly scientifically valid thing to examine exactly what the difference is, between persons and ordinary animals. ESPECIALLY when the concept of "person" has historically included lots of non-human entities, such as angels and elves and Chinese dragons and Arabian djinns, and more.that has no scientific merit,
THE EVIDENCE APPEARS TO BE AGAINST YOU, ABOUT THAT. And so I wrote this, about that....so there is no way to determine it scientifically.
ONLY IF YOU NEVER LET SCIENTISTS STUDY THE SUBJECT. Which sounds to me like a far more idiotic thing to do, letting Stupid Prejudice decide which entities qualify as persons, and which don't. Why should nonhuman intelligent beings think YOU deserve to be considered a person with rights?What is and is not a person is subjective
REALLY? Exactly how is the "mirror test", for example, **not** an Objective test of self-awareness for entities that have eyes?with no objective parts to use as a way to determine an answer objectively.
IT IS ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE DATA THAT SCIENTISTS HAVE GATHERED ABOUT PERSONS. Remember that there are those who claim dolphins qualify as persons --but unborn humans cannot pass even one of the many personhood tests that dolphins can pass. And there also exists Koko the Gorilla and Chantek the Orangutan, as having personhood roughly equivalent to human 3-year-olds. They also can pass tests no unborn human can pass.Saying that a fetus is not a person scientifically is just dumb.
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The word "potential" is now a relevant topic. It is easily proved that a potentiality is very different from an actuality. Just buy a lottery ticket for a million-dollar prize --you are now a potential winner, so should you be taxed like an actual winner? Of course not! And therefore an unborn human animal body, having potential to someday acquire a mind that has personhood, need not be treated like an actual person, an actual mind occupying a body.
Between the centuries of the Census Precedent, plus the 13th Amendment forbidding involuntary servitude, plus all the modern scientific data available about personhood, there is nowadays no valid rationale to legally grant person status to the unborn.
God is the final arbiter in the universe,
and the killing of the innocent unborn is murder.
It is clear in scripture that in some way, God creates life in a mother’s womb.
Psalm 139:13 – ‘For you (God) created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.’
Choose life, your mother did.
Well, we are talking about lawyer-type stuff here, and laws can be pretty lengthy. How long or short is the average "friend of the Court" legal brief? Do those things get routinely ignored?
(1) - Chapter 13
(2) https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/braindeath
(3) https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/mirror_test.htm
(4) https://www.democraticunderground.co...ress=228x11015
(5) If Your Dog Tasted Like Pork, Would You Eat Her? | PETA
(6) https://www.census.gov/history/www/t..._of_questions/
(7) Romania?s lost generation: inside the Iron Curtain?s orphanages - All In The Mind - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
(8) https://prezi.com/j15n2ivfb85w/feral...brain/?webgl=0
(9) http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/26/sc...ame-human.html
(10) http://www.koko.org/project-koko
(11) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...elligence.html
Which god? There are many of them.
Incorrect. Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person by a person. If abortion is legal, it CANNOT be murder (ignoring the fact that the zef is not a person).
The one liberals usually don't like.
Incorrect. It's murder in God's eyes because what's legal on earth is not always legal in heaven.
You will have to be more specific, as I have no idea what you mean.
You will have to be more specific, as I have no idea what you mean.
Religion is not relevant to making laws. And again, which god? There are many of them. I know of none where abortion is forbidden in any of their holy books.
ONLY IF GOD EXISTS. I'm often willing to assume it for the sake of certain arguments. However, that doesn't mean I accept the claim the rest of the time, just because someone claims it. Per the Rules of Debate, you have made a positive claim that you need to support with evidence. Well?God is the final arbiter in the universe,
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "INNOCENT UNBORN" --at least if they are older than about a week after conception. Unborn humans are totally guilty of committing assault, at least 4 different ways, starting with invading the womb, burying part of itself much like a tick's head. It steals biological nutrients from the body of its hostess; it dumps toxic biowastes into the body of its hostess, and it infuses addictive and mind-altering substances into the body of its hostess. Anyone calling the typical unborn human "innocent" is either spouting an Ignorant Lie (a falsehood told in ignorance of Objectively Verifiable Facts), or a Stupid Lie (a lie that is easy to prove is a lie)and the killing of the innocent unborn
IGNORANTLY FALSE. Only persons can be murdered, not mindless animals like ticks or unborn humans. And you know what a person truly is; just Answer this Question: "If you were visiting a modern well-equipped medical laboratory, and some madman with a machete cut your head off in an attempt to murder you, but rescuers arrived in time, would you want them to save your headless human body, or save your severed head, to save YOU-the-person?" The words "human" and "person" refer to totally different/unrelated concepts.is murder.
GOD IS NOT THAT STUPID/IGNORANT. You are talking about the same God that supposedly knows everything, including all the details about how the physical Universe works in accordance with the Law of Cause and Effect. So, since humans know that partially living things like sperm and ova can exist and interact and produce fully living things like zygotes, that same God should know it too, and doesn't need to do anything for Nature to take its course (follow the genetic programming built into the DNA of the zygote). The Bible was written by folks who had no idea how the Universe worked, and erroneously blamed every little thing on God. Tsk, tsk!It is clear in scripture that in some way, God creates life in a mother’s womb.
IGNORANCE REPEATED DOESN'T EQUAL FACT. And you should look at Exodus 21:22, because even if God had some sort of interest in an unborn human, an unborn human can still be killed and the penalty for doing that can be **ZERO**.Psalm 139:13 – ‘For you (God) created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.’
DOES NOT APPLY TO MOST PRO-CHOICERS. Promoting the freedom to choose to do something, like say smoke marijuana, does not equate with encouraging folks to smoke marijuana. (I support that freedom while I equally think anyone who does it for non-medical purposes is a fool who is committing slow suicide. And there is no contradiction because humanity's long-term survival could be improved by letting fools kill themselves off --would you rather they got their fingers on the nuke buttons?)Of course, the question for the pro-abortion crowd,
ANOTHER POSITIVE CLAIM COMING UP. Where is the Objectively Verifiable Evidence to support the claim? Tsk, tsk!
WHEN LIARS LIE, THEY CAN BE IGNORED. Duuuuhhhh!!!What divine insight does the pro-abortion crowd think they have to where they can destroy in a mother’s womb that which God is somehow instrumental in creating?
THAT WAS HER CHOICE. It does not equate to a demand that others copy that choice.Choose life, your mother did.
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