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Oh that reminds me I have the first four episodes of this season of Game of Thrones to watch!Well, I have things to do besides swap links nobody reads. Laters.
Why would they do this ?
Oh distancing yourself from the very studies you presented, interesting...Suicide is three times more likely to be attempted and to be successful with a gun in the house. I didn't write the studies I just presented them. By all means feel free to take up their conclusions with their authors
Are you SURE you're not anti-gun? You haven't said a single positive thing about gun ownership in this thread, that I noticed... but plenty of negative.
No, you're not advocating any specific legislation just the now, but every post in the thread has been negative towards gun ownership.
Faulty research. Biased source.
I just love that you're so embarrassed to be associated with the studies you presented on this thread. My oh my are you trying to deflect and get away so hard :lol:Please present your unbiased one that counters its conclusions ? Meanwhile in an attempt to get back on topic
The same reason others distort data and statistics, to promote an agenda.
Why would such an organisation have an anti gun agenda ? I think the more likely reality is that they have a pro life agenda given its members are certainly best placed to witness the consequences of your gun crazy carnage at first hand every day
I just love that you're so embarrassed to be associated with the studies you presented on this thread. My oh my are you trying to deflect and get away so hard :lol:
Lots of places have political agendas. As do you, given your propaganda terms here.
You're the one with the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. You want to say that a gun in the home increases risk, so prove the gun which caused the injury is the same gun which was kept in the home. That's a cornerstone of their claims so it should be very easy to find. I looked and didn't find it. Prove me wrong by quoting that potion of the study.
The research cited assumes that if a person was killed and a gun was owned in the home, it was the gun in the home that was responsible for the death. In fact, virtually all of those deaths were due to guns being brought in by criminals getting into the home.
Faulty research.
Why would such an organisation have an anti gun agenda ? I think the more likely reality is that they have a pro life agenda given its members are certainly best placed to witness the consequences of your gun crazy carnage at first hand every day
Maybe they just have a humanitarian agenda ? Ever consider that ? Only in the US are guns deemed a political issue. Elsewhere in the developed world its a health and safety concern with the US model held up as the perfect example not to follow
A "gun crazy" public is what keeps the government from taking complete control. A disarmed public is at the mercy of their leaders. Quite pathetic. Yes, it opens the door to more violence within that region, but the point stands. One could whine and cry about gun violence, but don't come crying to us again when your public can't defend themselves, once again.
Hahaha, that's some good propaganda there.
They didnt charge the cop I mentioned in a previous post.
At least, not until the public complained and contacted the dept. I was one of those people.
In the end, he got a hung jury and they decided not to retry.
Meanwhile, in a similar situation across the state where a 3 yr old got hold of parent's gun, and shot himself, BOTH parents were immediately charged with manslaughter.
The hypocrisy did not sit well.
The study doesn't say. It leaves one to guess, and a study should never do that, the viable one's don't. The viable studies include police reports verifying that the serial number on the firearm owned by the victim is the same as the serial number used by the victim to commit suicide. That is proof that it's the same gun; AND a couple of the studies posted even admitted that they didn't know if the guns were the same.Second, with a suicide, which gun do you think was used if not for the one in the home? The gun was conjured up by magic?
The possibilities are legion, from the time of day the crime was committed to what the victim was doing.Why would gun owners be at a HIGHER risk of murder from an invader, even if the deaths are due to the criminal bringing his own gun and killing the homeowner?
You have yet to post even a singe credible source which proves that. Don't expect a goddamn thing out of me until you do. You refuse to post good source material yourself, so don't ask another soul to.At best it shows that guns in the home are worthless for self defense and at worst would show that having a gun increases the risk of death because pulling it out might mean the robber will kill you in self defense when he'd otherwise flee or just beat you. At any rate, having a gun for self defense still INCREASES the risk of death - whether it's by your own or someone else's gun is not all that relevant to me.
Yup, there it is, run away. You're on a debate site, son, and you're talking to people with skin in the game who care. I've taken apart your every link, your every source, and you run away because you're wrong, you know you're wrong, and you can't deal with it.But I'm going to bow out of this discussion.
Truly crazy stuff :shock:
Maybe they just have a humanitarian agenda ? Ever consider that ? Only in the US are guns deemed a political issue. Elsewhere in the developed world its a health and safety concern with the US model held up as the perfect example not to follow
Its simply a statement of fact nothing more
So you don't know about Russia, or the Czech Republic. Interesting.Maybe they just have a humanitarian agenda ? Ever consider that ? Only in the US are guns deemed a political issue. Elsewhere in the developed world its a health and safety concern with the US model held up as the perfect example not to follow
Flogger claims to be from England. Why should we listen to a chain of countries who, combined, are smaller than our eastern seaboard?Ah there we go, I was just waiting for it, the old "the rest of the world is laughing at you unsophisticated Americans" argument
I do not consider that hypocrisy though, the second one was in where? Yakima I think, last I checked marysville and Yakima were in different counties and those decisions are made by prosecutors who have differing ideas on what should be charged.
IMO it's only hypocrisy if the same DA were in charge in both cases.
Oh yeah and the same jury too because the officer was charged. Btw did he ever get his job back? Because the police guild was going to contest his firing
Flogger claims to be from England. Why should we listen to a chain of countries who, combined, are smaller than our eastern seaboard?
The study doesn't say. It leaves one to guess, and a study should never do that, the viable one's don't. The viable studies include police reports verifying that the serial number on the firearm owned by the victim is the same as the serial number used by the victim to commit suicide. That is proof that it's the same gun; AND a couple of the studies posted even admitted that they didn't know if the guns were the same.
The possibilities are legion, from the time of day the crime was committed to what the victim was doing.
You have yet to post even a singe credible source which proves that. Don't expect a goddamn thing out of me until you do. You refuse to post good source material yourself, so don't ask another soul to.
Yup, there it is, run away. You're on a debate site, son, and you're talking to people with skin in the game who care. I've taken apart your every link, your every source, and you run away because you're wrong, you know you're wrong, and you can't deal with it.
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