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One of my least favorite Democratic members at least has a challenger

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She should try to improve her opening line that she doesn't want to be there.

 
She should try to improve her opening line that she doesn't want to be there.


Wasserman comes with baggage from the 2016 primary campaign, and she's made some implaccable enemies of prgressives, but she voted with Biden's stated position 100% of the time in the 117th Congress. She's good on gun control, good on LBGTQ issues and womens issues. We have to keep in mind that she is representing 25th Congressional district of Florida with its redrawn gerrymandered borders covering Broward County and Fort Lauderdale and its got its own demographic idiocyncracies. I don't know her opponent so I can't say who'd I pic. I've seen better than Wasserman; I've seen worse. Its a big tent.
 
Wasserman comes with baggage from the 2016 primary campaign, and she's made some implaccable enemies of prgressives, but she voted with Biden's stated position 100% of the time in the 117th Congress. She's good on gun control, good on LBGTQ issues and womens issues. We have to keep in mind that she is representing 25th Congressional district of Florida with its redrawn gerrymandered borders covering Broward County and Fort Lauderdale and its got its own demographic idiocyncracies. I don't know her opponent so I can't say who'd I pic. I've seen better than Wasserman; I've seen worse. Its a big tent.
A district that is entirely in a single county is not gerrymandered. There is no pleasing some people.
 
A district that is entirely in a single county is not gerrymandered. There is no pleasing some people.
Florida's 25th congressional district is a congressional district in the Broward County area of Florida. In the 2020 redistricting cycle, it was drawn as a successor to the previous 23rd district and includes much of southern Broward County, including Weston, Davie, Pembroke Pines, Hollywood, and parts of Miramar and Plantation. The previous iteration of the 25th district, which stretched from Collier County to the suburbs of Miami, was instead renamed the 26th district.

The prior 25th district, from 2003 through 2013, stretched across a great swath of the Everglades and included parts of Collier, Miami-Dade, and Hendry counties. It took in the Miami-Dade municipalities of Homestead, Leisure City, and Cutler Bay.

In the 2010 redistricting cycle, much of this area was redrawn into the 26th district, while the 25th district was reconfigured from what was the 21st district from 1993 to 2003. From 2017 to 2023, the district included all of Hendry County, most of Collier County excluding the coastal fringe, and the northwest of Miami-Dade County. Major cities in the district included Hialeah, Doral, LaBelle, and Clewiston. Previous iterations of the district had a large Cuban American population, making up 44.3% of the population, the largest proportion in any district in the country.

The district is currently represented by Democrat Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who previously represented the 23rd district before redistricting.
 
She should try to improve her opening line that she doesn't want to be there.



Why don't you work on flipping the House instead of getting candidates that will pass the progressive purity test?
 
Why don't you work on flipping the House instead of getting candidates that will pass the progressive purity test?he
Craig's may be justifiably concerned with our military support going to Netanyahu's brutal war tactics in Gaza. Wasserman's unabashed support for Israel, may be more troubling here than than her 2016 endorsement of Clinton over Sanders as DNC chair. I don't want our party or our Congress to drive out either supporters of a free Palestinian state, or strong supporters of Israel. Although I would vote to end that aide in a heartbeat, I am fine with the 'squad' and I am fine with people like Wasserman being in our party.

I don't do single issue litmus tests.
 
Why don't you work on flipping the House instead of getting candidates that will pass the progressive purity test?
We can and should do both, and she's a long way from Progressive purity test.
 
Florida's 25th congressional district is a congressional district in the Broward County area of Florida. In the 2020 redistricting cycle, it was drawn as a successor to the previous 23rd district and includes much of southern Broward County, including Weston, Davie, Pembroke Pines, Hollywood, and parts of Miramar and Plantation. The previous iteration of the 25th district, which stretched from Collier County to the suburbs of Miami, was instead renamed the 26th district.

The prior 25th district, from 2003 through 2013, stretched across a great swath of the Everglades and included parts of Collier, Miami-Dade, and Hendry counties. It took in the Miami-Dade municipalities of Homestead, Leisure City, and Cutler Bay.

In the 2010 redistricting cycle, much of this area was redrawn into the 26th district, while the 25th district was reconfigured from what was the 21st district from 1993 to 2003. From 2017 to 2023, the district included all of Hendry County, most of Collier County excluding the coastal fringe, and the northwest of Miami-Dade County. Major cities in the district included Hialeah, Doral, LaBelle, and Clewiston. Previous iterations of the district had a large Cuban American population, making up 44.3% of the population, the largest proportion in any district in the country.

The district is currently represented by Democrat Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who previously represented the 23rd district before redistricting.
Florida's 25th congressional district is a congressional district in the Broward County area of Florida.
 
She's not a long way from Joe Biden. She got a 100% voting record in 117th Congress supporting Biden's wishlist. She is no Joe Manchin.
She's Jewish. Do we not expect her to support Israel?
 
She's Jewish. Do we not expect her to support Israel?
The issue isn't that she's Jewish. IMO most, definitely many, American Jews oppose the colonial policies of that country. The issue is that she, whether Jewish or not, has decided to completely sell out to the lobby supporting that country. Bernie Sander is Jewish. Do we not expect him to support them? Oh wait, he doesn't.
 
She's Jewish. Do we not expect her to support Israel?
That is not my premise. Mine goes like this. Her voting district has a higher percentage of religiously Jewish voters in it than the national average and a higher percentage of them are over 65 and its median age is significantly higher than the national 41.9 to 38.1 and age coorelates to more conservative political views and behavior. Do we not expect them to support Israel?
 
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She's Jewish. Do we not expect her to support Israel?
Well it is true many people automatically assume Jews support the existence of Israel yes. Do they? I believe polls within Jewish community show that Jews who do not support Israel in any Jewish community except the extreme Ultra Orthodox are a minority. (the extreme Ultra Orthodox do not believe Israel can exist until the Messiah returns first)

That said can we be clear. Most Jews have very distinct and varied opinions on Israeli policies. We are not all sheep. There is a wide range of debate as to what kind of force or what kinds of things Israel should use to defend itself or agree to for a long lasting peace. I would say you get two Jews, you get a thousand opinions if you must know. We are a people whose culture is about never seeing just one possibility. The whole purpose of our Talmud was to teach us a code of rules to debate the Torah or any other rules or laws to have them constantly change to adapt to new fact situations.

Most Jews do not like to be assumed to think anything about Israel other than most of us would think asking Israel not to defend itself against terror is crap.

That all said, Deerborn, Michigan and other districts have heavy Muslim populations that consist of Muslims who want Israel disbanded and if necessary by violence and they too are represented by Muslim politicians.

In may electoral districts the politicians reflect the majority ethnic group and its collective values in their ridings. Its not specific to Jews and never was. Italians, Poles, Irish, Evangelical Christians, Latinos, Mormons, so many groups can and so mobilize based on common cultural collective views from either their ethnic or religious beliefs. Of course gays have voted for gay activist politicians.

So here is what I say. It is perfectly fair for you to say certain politicians appeal or even go so far as to pander to specific minority groups by telling them something they think they want to hear to get elected. We know how that works.

I am not so sure why it becomes singled out with Jewish Americans.

Trump right now appeals to racist stereotypes to get votes. He tells us Jews we are not good Jews unless we support him because Harris hates Jews and that is why her VP candidate is not a Jew. That assumes we are all idiots and do not knlow Trump is a blatant anti semite and bigot and caters to white and Christian nationalists who hate us.

Think how absurd it is to tell us a woman running for President married a Jew but hates Jews. Shapiro wan't picked because he was a Jew? The man did not want to be VP. He is young, just started his career and may want to run for the Presidency years from now. Serving as VP was not in his career trajectory and there is a very good reason with few exceptions VP candidates are middle aged-precisely because they are at the end of their careers not the beginning and do not mind serving as figure head back ups and serving as moderators in bi partisan dialogue to pass bills. Their very role demands someone seasoned in the congress or senate preferably not an outsider.
 
The more I see this challenger, the less impressed I am. There are things to like, but she has that view where she won't vote for Harris or trump because she won't vote for anyone who supports the crimes in Gaza. She has good points, she's against the corporate corruption of Wasserman-Schulz, but she is a 'Jill Stein supporter' type, who she plans to vote for.
 
The issue isn't that she's Jewish. IMO most, definitely many, American Jews oppose the colonial policies of that country. The issue is that she, whether Jewish or not, has decided to completely sell out to the lobby supporting that country. Bernie Sander is Jewish. Do we not expect him to support them? Oh wait, he doesn't.
Excellent point! I stand corrected!
 
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