One in one out policy kicks off

[panic buyer]

And it literally is one in one out.
BBC sent a man on the fligt of an Eritrean man to Paris this morning. He had3 home office minders with him.
I do wonder whose benefit this is for.

The migrants arent being deterred. The rules of the scheme encourage them to take a chance.
It looks like a sop to the reformistas among us.
But they wont be happy unless heads are mounted on pikes over London Bridge.
Are there enough civil servants to upscale this initiative ? It wouldnt be the worst job I expect.

But overall it just seems like the desire to look busy has taken over. This is tory politics under a so called labour government.

First migrant deportation flights to France begin under new returns deal

It’s understood about 50 people a week will be deported

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Juin]

And it literally is one in one out.

The Sun says the score is 10,000 in, 2 out since Keir Starmer inflicted his farce on the public

Deportation of just TWO migrants under deal shows it will never be a deterrent

Doing two little MINISTERS hailing the deportation of just TWO migrants under the new deal with France were like football fans celebrating winning the league after the first match of the season. Ch…

www.thesun.co.uk

BBC sent a man on the fligt of an Eritrean man to Paris this morning. He had3 home office minders with him.
I do wonder whose benefit this is for.

The migrants arent being deterred. The rules of the scheme encourage them to take a chance.

So why is Keir Starmer working at it?

It looks like a sop to the reformistas among us.
But they wont be happy unless heads are mounted on pikes over London Bridge.

I see. So Starmer doesnt believe in it. He is just going through the farce as a sop to reformistas! Awesome

Are there enough civil servants to upscale this initiative ? It wouldnt be the worst job I expect.

But overall it just seems like the desire to look busy has taken over. This is tory politics under a so called labour government.

Terrific! Even though Starmer has the numbers in Parliament his is still Tory politics!

 

[Infinite Chaos]

And it literally is one in one out.
BBC sent a man on the fligt of an Eritrean man to Paris this morning. He had3 home office minders with him.
I do wonder whose benefit this is for.

The migrants arent being deterred. The rules of the scheme encourage them to take a chance.
It looks like a sop to the reformistas among us.
But they wont be happy unless heads are mounted on pikes over London Bridge.
Are there enough civil servants to upscale this initiative ? It wouldnt be the worst job I expect.

But overall it just seems like the desire to look busy has taken over. This is tory politics under a so called labour government.

First migrant deportation flights to France begin under new returns deal

It’s understood about 50 people a week will be deported

www.independent.co.uk

Legal immigration has dropped to less than 400,000 however and that doesn't get reported on, neither does the high number of facilitated or monitored returns. In 2024, there were 34,201 returns (both voluntary and facilitated) and the number this year seems to be on track to be the same.

The focus has shifted partly because Farage spent a few wilderness years standing with microphone and media production company outside asylum centres and saying "are they full of terrorists? I don't know, I'm just asking questions" and getting away with it.

So, how to deal with the problem? We don't have a naturally dangerous border as Australia has with crocodile infested coastline to its north. Many Eritreans headed for Israel until Israel built a huge steel fence in 2012. That at the time apparently cut their numbers to 0.
Asylum applications have to be treated as genuine but they simply aren't processed quickly enough and there are all sorts of routes for legal challenge for failed applications as we saw with the Eritrean guy before he was eventually deported.

Rwanda was doomed from the start - we don't have the inhumanity or financial levers to press against trade partners in order to drop hardened criminals into South Sudan / Eswatini / Equatorial Guinea like the USA has been doing under Trump.

Certainly any government should also be talking more about how many returns are actually happening - the vacuum is being filled by Reform's conspiracies and jingoism. Deporting foreign criminals should always have been fast tracked and I am surprised it's taken until this summer for any government to consider bringing such legislation into force.

So, what of the rest? Wherever we put holding centres will bring about local protests - especially if some of the migrants attack local women or commit other crimes.

The UK considered using some of the overseas territories like the Falklands and Ascension Island but dropped the plans in 2020 because of costs to build centres there and to fly migrants over. Ascension was still being considered in 2023.

Reform want to repeal the EHCR in the UK, I believe it is article 8 that is the thorn in the cause to deport but that itself will take time.

But they wont be happy unless heads are mounted on pikes over London Bridge.

Remember that some have advocated the royal navy firing on migrant boats in the channel.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Three now as of yesterday.

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-09-18/second-migrant-to-be-returned-to-france-after-trump-urges-military-intervention

 

[panic buyer]

Legal immigration has dropped to less than 400,000 however and that doesn't get reported on, neither does the high number of facilitated or monitored returns. In 2024, there were 34,201 returns (both voluntary and facilitated) and the number this year seems to be on track to be the same.

The focus has shifted partly because Farage spent a few wilderness years standing with microphone and media production company outside asylum centres and saying "are they full of terrorists? I don't know, I'm just asking questions" and getting away with it.

So, how to deal with the problem? We don't have a naturally dangerous border as Australia has with crocodile infested coastline to its north. Many Eritreans headed for Israel until Israel built a huge steel fence in 2012. That at the time apparently cut their numbers to 0.
Asylum applications have to be treated as genuine but they simply aren't processed quickly enough and there are all sorts of routes for legal challenge for failed applications as we saw with the Eritrean guy before he was eventually deported.

Rwanda was doomed from the start - we don't have the inhumanity or financial levers to press against trade partners in order to drop hardened criminals into South Sudan / Eswatini / Equatorial Guinea like the USA has been doing under Trump.

Certainly any government should also be talking more about how many returns are actually happening - the vacuum is being filled by Reform's conspiracies and jingoism. Deporting foreign criminals should always have been fast tracked and I am surprised it's taken until this summer for any government to consider bringing such legislation into force.

So, what of the rest? Wherever we put holding centres will bring about local protests - especially if some of the migrants attack local women or commit other crimes.

The UK considered using some of the overseas territories like the Falklands and Ascension Island but dropped the plans in 2020 because of costs to build centres there and to fly migrants over. Ascension was still being considered in 2023.

Reform want to repeal the EHCR in the UK, I believe it is article 8 that is the thorn in the cause to deport but that itself will take time.



Remember that some have advocated the royal navy firing on migrant boats in the channel.

I dont see it as a problem. It isnt really. The government should focus on issues that matter not issues the right wing media tell them that matter.
But this government is badly led and lacks focus.
What are they dooing about housing.? **** all. What are they doing in the NHS ? Hoping for the best.
Its toryism by another name. But the tories are now reform and have dropped any liberal tendencies they might have had.
Its grim out there.

 

[panic buyer]

The Sun says the score is 10,000 in, 2 out since Keir Starmer inflicted his farce on the public

Deportation of just TWO migrants under deal shows it will never be a deterrent

Doing two little MINISTERS hailing the deportation of just TWO migrants under the new deal with France were like football fans celebrating winning the league after the first match of the season. Ch…

www.thesun.co.uk

So why is Keir Starmer working at it?





I see. So Starmer doesnt believe in it. He is just going through the farce as a sop to reformistas! Awesome





Terrific! Even though Starmer has the numbers in Parliament his is still Tory politics!

So its as effective as the Rwanda policy ?

 

[PeteEU]

All they have to do is accept the French offer of opening a processing camp in France... But nooo.

 

[panic buyer]

All they have to do is accept the French offer of opening a processing camp in France... But nooo.

Maybe the rich west should stop srartring wars iin the third world. Nost refugees come from war zonrs.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

All they have to do is accept the French offer of opening a processing camp in France... But nooo.

I haven't seen this? I think the offer may have been rejected if it meant the ones who came through couldn't be returned or kept in France? Strange decision to reject it.

I wonder if the Ascension island option should be explored further though - logistics would be a pain but if people are that serious about putting migrants off without resorting to the extremists in Reform and shooting at boats - the cost of flying materials out, building the holding centres and then flying migrants to Ascension should be considered.

 

[PeteEU]

I haven't seen this? I think the offer may have been rejected if it meant the ones who came through couldn't be returned or kept in France? Strange decision to reject it.

I wonder if the Ascension island option should be explored further though - logistics would be a pain but if people are that serious about putting migrants off without resorting to the extremists in Reform and shooting at boats - the cost of flying materials out, building the holding centres and then flying migrants to Ascension should be considered.

Boris rejected it as the boat issue started up. So this is lonnnnng ago.

 

[PeteEU]

Maybe the rich west should stop srartring wars iin the third world. Nost refugees come from war zonrs.

Sadly it goes further back than that.. but I agree...

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Boris rejected it as the boat issue started up. So this is lonnnnng ago.

So this was part of Dublin III that the Brexiters cleverly walked away from?

As I recall, the boats problem started because we clamped down on the incursions via trucks and the channel tunnel and ferries.

I think if we "stop the boats", there will be some other method which is why we need to look at something drastic but without shooting or drowning people or dropping them onto completely different countries like Rwanda. Ascension is British territory and should be an option - expensive but how serious are people about stopping this?

 

[PeteEU]

So this was part of Dublin III that the Brexiters cleverly walked away from?

No idea what it was part off. But France has suggested this solution several time under the Tories, and was rejected every time.

As I recall, the boats problem started because we clamped down on the incursions via trucks and the channel tunnel and ferries.

Naw, those still happening, and was never really a problem. The boats started when the UK stopped having any legal ability to get asylum without being physically on UK territory. That is also why Boris rejected the French offer, as legally any centre in France would be... drumroll... UK territory, just like your Channel tunnel areas and all that boats stuff is today.

I think if we "stop the boats", there will be some other method which is why we need to look at something drastic but without shooting or drowning people or dropping them onto completely different countries like Rwanda. Ascension is British territory and should be an option - expensive but how serious are people about stopping this?

Sending them to Ascension is idiotic. You have places like Isle of Mann or some random Island in Scotland if you want to put them on an island. Try the Channel Islands!

But that aint the solution.. the solution is to open up for the ability of having an asylum claim registered in France or anywhere else in the world. The UK does not allow that. The only time anyone can seek asylum is if they get onto UK SOIL!

 

[panic buyer]

Sadly it goes further back than that.. but I agree...

The right only makes things worse. They dont have the answer to anything. They rarely understand the question.

 

[Juin]

So its as effective as the Rwanda policy ?

I am listening. What happened to it? I know, if I recall right, Paul Kagame was all set to recieve the deportees, and had even received a first installment. So what happened?

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Naw, those still happening, and was never really a problem.

You didn't read the press here then.

Sending them to Ascension is idiotic. You have places like Isle of Mann or some random Island in Scotland if you want to put them on an island. Try the Channel Islands!

Isle of Man has a large enough population to cause problems for politicians, same with "random Scottish islands" or the Channel Islands. A lot of wealthy people live on those islands and you'll have the same issue as having an Asylum hotel in Epping where a migrant then stupidly assaults a 12 year old girl and brings the locals out in protest.
You are not thinking through the ramifications of these local islands that you think would work.

But that aint the solution.. the solution is to open up for the ability of having an asylum claim registered in France or anywhere else in the world. The UK does not allow that. The only time anyone can seek asylum is if they get onto UK SOIL!

Ascension offers that and the only flights in or out are government or military flights. No domestic/commercial flights to sneak people in or out. Civilians can fly via RAF Brize Norton or Johannesburg but these are regulated flights.
Politically, there isn't a resident population to cause riots and problems on the streets and if Britain really thought about this, they could offer the location to other EU nations struggling with illegal migration and share the costs of building a processing centre.

 

[panic buyer]

I am listening. What happened to it? I know, if I recall right, Paul Kagame was all set to recieve the deportees, and had even received a first installment. So what happened?

Rwanda was a throwaway idea that became tory policy. Such was the lack of intelligence in Johnsons crazy regime.
The Uk gave Kagame millions to build a compound in the jungle which he was happy to take but nobody actyally went there. Rwanda is not a nice place and we should not be dealing with them.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Rwanda is not a nice place.

You're actually wrong there, although the leader can be classed as a dictator, Rwanda has come on leaps and bounds since the ethnic cleansing. Everything else you said is correct though, dumping our illegal migrants on a 3rd country is wrong as we are seeing with the USA dropping people into South Sudan / Eswatini and other countries they have zero ties or links to.
Each nation must deal with asylum / illegal migrants on their own territory and that can include overseas territory that belongs to the nation.

 

[PeteEU]

Isle of Man has a large enough population to cause problems for politicians, same with "random Scottish islands" or the Channel Islands. A lot of wealthy people live on those islands and you'll have the same issue as having an Asylum hotel in Epping where a migrant then stupidly assaults a 12 year old girl and brings the locals out in protest.
You are not thinking through the ramifications of these local islands that you think would work.

And that aint a problem with the population on Ascension Island..? 800 people live there.

Ascension offers that and the only flights in or out are government or military flights. No domestic/commercial flights to sneak people in or out. Civilians can fly via RAF Brize Norton or Johannesburg but these are regulated flights.​

Politically, there isn't a resident population to cause riots and problems on the streets and if Britain really thought about this, they could offer the location to other EU nations struggling with illegal migration and share the costs of building a processing centre.

LOL there are 800 people there..

There are no facilities there, and the cost of sending thousands and thousands of people there is astronomic. Much cheaper to the a random island in the UK.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

And that aint a problem with the population on Ascension Island..? 800 people live there.

Mainly govt employees etc but very heavily dependent on free grants from the UK.

St Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha profile

An overview of St Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, and key facts about these UK territories.

www.bbc.com

the cost of sending thousands and thousands of people there is astronomic. Much cheaper to the a random island in the UK.

That's why I said a few posts back about how serious the UK Govt is about dealing with this issue.

 

[PeteEU]

Mainly govt employees etc but very heavily dependent on free grants from the UK.

St Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha profile

An overview of St Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, and key facts about these UK territories.

www.bbc.com

That's why I said a few posts back about how serious the UK Govt is about dealing with this issue.

I see.. why not send them to the Falklands? Further away. More space. Ascension Island aint exactly big.

Plus the UK at the moment is struggling financially, so putting money into this fool's errand is nuts. Cheaper to accept the French offer (if it is still on the table) and set up a processing camp in France. People who still would take the boats, can be caught and put there while their asylum is processed.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I see.. why not send them to the Falklands? Further away. More space. Ascension Island aint exactly big.

Ascension is the staging post to the Falklands and has a mild climate. Building something in the South Atlantic is not just logistically and financially more expensive but would probably rely on shipping supplies from Argentina. This has already been explored by the UK Govt.
Ascension is primarily a Govt military and scientific outpost whereas the Falklands have a large civilian population and all you would do is rile the Reform type people there.

People who still would take the boats, can be caught and put there while their asylum is processed.

If the French offer is still there, it's cheaper but do you really honestly think the British legal system would allow fast processing of people who still got onto boats to come here? Look how long it took to get the 3 out so far.

 

[PeteEU]

Ascension is the staging post to the Falklands and has a mild climate. Building something in the South Atlantic is not just logistically and financially more expensive but would probably rely on shipping supplies from Argentina. This has already been explored by the UK Govt.
Ascension is primarily a Govt military and scientific outpost whereas the Falklands have a large civilian population and all you would do is rile the Reform type people there.

If the French offer is still there, it's cheaper but do you really honestly think the British legal system would allow fast processing of people who still got onto boats to come here? Look how long it took to get the 3 out so far.

So your solution is send them to the middle of the atlantic at extreme costs.. and have them wait there for the slow British legal system?

 

[Infinite Chaos]

So your solution is send them to the middle of the atlantic at extreme costs.. and have them wait there for the slow British legal system?

Yes but I disagree your argument.

We already spent £500 million paying for a processing centre in France and we are still getting 35,000 illegal arrivals this year.

Ascension is British territory without the associated cost of angering the locals which is what happens right now anywhere in the UK. Personally, I have no problem with Asylum seekers being housed in hotels and venues around people but I am very aware that very specific reason has brought Reform to 30% polling.

 

[PeteEU]

Yes but I disagree your argument.

We already spent £500 million paying for a processing centre in France and we are still getting 35,000 illegal arrivals this year.

Not sure what this is.. there has been an UK border in France since forever, but no processing or detention centre that I am aware of, or can find any information about except the stuff you linked and a Guardian article that states the same.

Ascension is British territory without the associated cost of angering the locals which is what happens right now anywhere in the UK. Personally, I have no problem with Asylum seekers being housed in hotels and venues around people but I am very aware that very specific reason has brought Reform to 30% polling.

So basically, ignoring the problem by shifting it to the middle of no where at a massive cost.. money the UK desperately needs to fund basic things like... healthcare. gotcha.