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One in, one out and Macron's parting shot

Infinite Chaos

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Well, another plan to cut illegal migration numbers (the topic that will win Reform the next election) and it's straight away a hot topic on some discussion programs here.

Starmer hails the deal as "groundbreaking", saying that migrants arriving via small boats will be
"detained and returned to France in short order".

In exchange, he says, others will be allowed to come into the UK via a safe, legal and controlled route.
This will be subject to "strict security checks" and will only be open to those who have not previously
tried to illegally enter the UK.

The PM explains that the UK offers a "haven" for genuine asylum seekers in dire need, but adds

that the country cannot solve the challenge of migration by acting alone.

The mechanics of this will be interesting to follow - the numbers are very small (as you'd expect with a pilot) and I've heard it wondered already whether those who are currently handing themselves over so as to seek asylum will now instead disappear. A Reform / Brexit Party spokesperson has suggested Royal Navy boats will force the small boats back at sea (fine in still, sunny seas but what happens in winter / choppy seas when a boat sinks?) or more controversially and pleasing to the average Reform voter - somehow we will enter forcibly French waters and drop these people back on French beaches.

Then as a juicy sidenote - Macron left with a parting shot that this was all down to Brexit.
"the French president said voters were “sold a lie” on Brexit when they were told it would “make it
possible to fight more effectively against illegal immigration"

and

"said that because Brexit left the UK without a returns agreement with the EU: “it creates an
incentive to make the crossing, the precise opposite of what Brexit had promised”."

If you are in the UK, there was a fiery debate at 12:00 today on this very subject on Jeremy Vine's lunchtime Radio 2 show. At the heart, there was the now predictable argument that Brexit wasn't done properly - but we still lack detail on how Reform/UKIP/Brexit Party would actually have done it differently.

And we'll never get that answer.
 
Its a start, but if the Royal Navy pushes boats back to France..that will be against international law. Not that the Royal Navy has the ships to do much these days, especially this.. imagine the floating waste of money carrier trying to push small boats back...
 
if the Royal Navy pushes boats back to France..that will be against international law.

All it takes is one capsized boat and some dead kids in the water and that's the end of that idea. There were some Reform people who suggested shooting at the dinghies.

Sadly, others liked the idea.

Not that the Royal Navy has the ships to do much these days, especially this..

Surface vessels are incredibly vulnerable. Huge investment instead in submarines.
 
All it takes is one capsized boat and some dead kids in the water and that's the end of that idea. There were some Reform people who suggested shooting at the dinghies.
Yep

Surface vessels are incredibly vulnerable. Huge investment instead in submarines.

The Royal Navy has 50 active ships. 2 useless aircraft carriers, 9 subs dependent on US maintenance systems in the US, 6 destroyers, 8 frigates, 7 mine ships and 18 offshore patrol vessels. That aint enough to even patrol the whole of British waters. It is also not enough to defend both carriers if both are active.
 
Yea your nuclear subs need to goto the US to maintain the nukes.. kinda makes them useless for a long while.

Funny how we've gone from the idiocy of using the Royal Navy to forcibly remove illegal boats back to France all the way to where our nukes are maintained.....
 
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