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On Gaza

Fledermaus said:
Did or did not the Palestinians of Gaza fire tens of thousands of rockets and mortars at the civilian population ot Israel?
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israel needs to do whats necessary and come down with brute force to finish off all of the terrorists there. sad how the palestinians just shoot rockets at israeli schools
 
biglawnmower said:
israel needs to do whats necessary and come down with brute force to finish off all of the terrorists there. sad how the palestinians just shoot rockets at israeli schools
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All “brute force” does is create more terrorists due to how densely populated the area is.
 
Tigerace117 said:
All “brute force” does is create more terrorists due to how densely populated the area is.
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they create their own terrorists that sneak into israel through tunnels to slaughter civilians.
 
Fledermaus said:
Waiting..
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Wait all you want , this conversation , if it ever takes place ( I have given you the opportunity here ) will not be conducted by your bullish proclamations and demands for answers ONLY to your own loaded questions. Ain't happening on those terms

So , you can either put something together to answer the first question in the OP or you can sit their and let the spiders cover you in cobwebs , choice is yours
 
Possibly just for posterity................


https://www.haaretz.com/1.4710372

And there's all those nice " pro Israeli " supporters claiming it is an " olive branch " that the Palestinians wretchedly refused

Still want to chat Fleddy ?
 
oneworld2 said:
Possibly just for posterity................



https://www.haaretz.com/1.4710372

And there's all those nice " pro Israeli " supporters claiming it is an " olive branch " that the Palestinians wretchedly refused

Still want to chat Fleddy ?
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And all of that is right. You freeze it until the Palestinians demonstrate they are truly committed to peace, because you have made a concession and a gesture that is so transparently positive that unless the Palestinians reciprocate there is no way Israel will be forced into a deal with a completely intransigent PLO.

He was wrong about that, of course, since the Palestinians and their supporters are just in the concession banking game and never bent on their destructionist objectives one iota yet the international community gave Israel no credit for any shows of goodwill or provided any consequences for Palestinian intransigence, but his statement has been ripped out of context for a decade now by anti-Israel propagandists (see your post, for example) so figured might as well pipe back into the explanation which has been provided for this statement for a decade now (incidentally a decade where the folks in gaza could have had no Israeli presence, not attacks, no blockade etc were it not for the Palestinians' rejectionist terrorist machine).

Some of us were around and paying attention at the time, sorry to say.
 

What don't you understand about................... " Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda." ?

Let's go a little further with Dov shall we ?

"The disengagement is actually formaldehyde," he said. "It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians."
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Where's the " until such times that they accept Israel , or " renounce violence " etc etc................... it's a glaring omission imo

Let's go further still eh ? ( can't quote any more , fair usage etc )

Look at the list of reasons he gives for the decision.................... where does it even come close to suggesting the decision was an olive branch to see how the Palestinians would react ? Go and read it and tell me where any notion of that becomes apparent or even detectable in his words.

In fact the only vague reference to anything to do with making peace with the Palestinians runs completely counter to your perception. That is with regards to the " Geneva Initiative " enjoying " broad support " and that being something bad by all accounts or certainly in his view. The possibility of a fair deal with the Palestinians enjoying " broad support " Dov ? , **** that !

You can spin all you like but those words tell a very very different tale to the one that enjoys much support here based on the magnificence of the Israeli jesture

Think too that it released thousands of IDF troops from having to protect a few thousand illegal settlers................ recall Dov's comments on the IDF troops refusing to serve ?

Remember that many went from illegal settler status in problematic Gaza to illegal settler status in the the much more coveted West Bank

And of course we had the heart wrenching scenes of Jew evicting Jew from their homes ( read illegal homes in someone elses country ) in a national trauma drama for the whole world to see. Almost brought a tear to my eye :roll:

The context is there for all to see and it has no merit as being an olive branch situation. Sorry
 

Hey, look. A non-answer... How refreshing coming from you...

The true answer is yes. Yes they commited tens of thousands of what can be considered acts of war.

When one state commits multiple acts of war against another state what do you think happens?
 


Sorry but interaction with you is a completely boring waste of time and effort.

Your constant superficial one sided diatribes are an insult to discussion and belong in a play ground full of nursery aged kids imo

The sand pits free if you're at a loose end right now
 

One sided?

Your entire approach to the subject is nothing more than a conclusion.
 

Awwwww

Little snookums can't accept the fact Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians (thereby creating the only real Palestine in the modern Era) and the Palestinian reaction was to turn it into an armed camp from which they have committed 20,000+ acts of war against Israel...

Think about that... At least 20,000 acts of war. And that doesn't include intrusions, shootings, knife attacks and/or suicide bombings.....

20,000 act of war and terrorism....

And you wonder why the IDF does some of what it does.

Amazing.
 
Seeing as this has gone quiet i thought maybe some reports from various groups about the dire situation facing Gazans should see some light

A report on the effectiveness of the Gaza Reconstruction Mechanism by the charity OXFAM


This paper analyses the effectiveness of the GRM in improving access to water, health and sanitation services, assesses the roles and responsibilities of a range of actors and identifies urgent steps in relation to the GRM that should be taken to contribute to the development of a just, effective and sustainable water sector in Gaza. [/quote]

https://www.oxfam.org/en/research/t...ater-crisis-and-gaza-reconstruction-mechanism

Save the Children


https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/...llion-children-suffering-unlivable-conditions

more to follow
 
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