Omara Admits GZ Aggressor

[MaggieD]

No. At the MTD hearing the burden of proof falls squarely on GZ. The burden is lighter than a trial because it is by a preponderance of evidence, by 51%. He has to prove it is more likely than not that GZ tried to escape before using deadly force. That is what traditional self defense requires.

Furry, he will tell the same story he's told everyone. Trayvon Martin punched him, knocked him down, got on top of him and was beating his head into the concrete. If the state cannot disprove that, the trial is over.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The def you posted states a check is the same as cash.

It seems to include the equivalent of the same and check is just a single example from the category. ymmv.

I take it you have never done any accounting or been exposed to GAAP.

He had cash that he had his wife transfer between accounts several times before the bond hearing.

idk what to say.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

If GZ qualified for SYG he would not even need to claim GZ was pinned. SYG makes it MUCH easier to have a case dismissed precisely because the defendant does not need to say he was pinned or that he couldn't escape.

but if the defendant as pinned or could not escape, then what?
Then you don't need that aspect of the SYG law.
bfd

 

[Furiounova]

but if the defendant as pinned or could not escape, then what?
Then you don't need that aspect of the SYG law.
bfd

With SYG you don't need to say you were pinned. By using the traditional self defense law he is adding burden of what he needs to prove at the MTD. Why would he do that?

 

[Furiounova]

Furry, he will tell the same story he's told everyone. Trayvon Martin punched him, knocked him down, got on top of him and was beating his head into the concrete. If the state cannot disprove that, the trial is over.

You don't understand the process here. There are two different events at play. Omara is having the MTD hearing to try and get the charges dismissed before it ever gets to trial. During this hearing the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove why the charges should be dismissed. When the MTD is denied it then goes to trial. It is during this phase the burden is on the prosecution to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

With SYG you don't need to say you were pinned.

I believe that this is correct.

By using the traditional self defense law he is adding burden of what he needs to prove at the MTD. Why would he do that?

What's the mtd?
Why is my guess about O'Mara's motives relevant?

 

[Furiounova]

I believe that this is correct.

What's the mtd?
Why is my guess about O'Mara's motives relevant?

Motion to Dismiss. Even though he is not using the SYG defense he can still have a MTD hearing based on self defense.

By not claiming SYG, it is more difficult to have the MTD granted because it adds burden. Omara saying the facts do not support a SYG claim is saying GZ does not qualify for SYG. If he argues SYG at the MTD he has no chance in hell of winning because GZ does not qualify for the statute.

 

[joko104]

Motion to Dismiss. Even though he is not using the SYG defense he can still have a MTD hearing based on self defense.

By not claiming SYG, it is more difficult to have the MTD granted because it adds burden. Omara saying the facts do not support a SYG claim is saying GZ does not qualify for SYG. If he argues SYG at the MTD he has no chance in hell of winning because GZ does not qualify for the statute.

Since the judge already ruled on this all prior to the hearing or trial, the only purpose would be to preserve issues for appeal. Amid personal insults about and at GZ, and stating he only cares about TM and not GZ, the judge declared that the prosection has a strong case.

All that is left then for trial is for GZ to 1.) abandon his option of a trial before the judge who has already made his decision on the case prior to trial and 2.) Try to convince a jury that the judge and the prosecutor can not prove their case against GZ beyond a reasonable doubt.

O'Mara has made it clear he will only go so far in effort towards this case because he has not asked for a change of venue -which in a massively publicized case locally like this and where the outcome can seriously affect the whole community, that is virtually an automatically made and granted motion.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Motion to Dismiss. Even though he is not using the SYG defense he can still have a MTD hearing based on self defense.
By not claiming SYG, it is more difficult to have the MTD granted because it adds burden. Omara saying the facts do not support a SYG claim is saying GZ does not qualify for SYG. If he argues SYG at the MTD he has no chance in hell of winning because GZ does not qualify for the statute.

Your position is that the benefits of the SYG law are not available to people who were unable to retreat?

 

[JackFrost]

Since the judge already ruled on this all prior to the hearing or trial... - False claim:roll:

Amid personal insults about and at GZ, and stating he only cares about TM and not GZ... - Another false claim:roll:

O'Mara has made it clear he will only go so far in effort... - More false claims:roll:

George,

All of your statements are based off pure conjecture. Lester has not ruled on anything. If you would have been truthful with the court, he would not have made those true and accurate statements about you. Did you talk to O'Mara about his lack of effort? Maybe you should request another lawyer to represent you.

 

[Furiounova]

Your position is that the benefits of the SYG law are not available to people who were unable to retreat?

No. That is not what I am saying at all. Qualifying for SYG has NOTHING to do with the question of someone being able to retreat or not retreat.

 

[Furiounova]

Since the judge already ruled on this all prior to the hearing or trial, the only purpose would be to preserve issues for appeal. Amid personal insults about and at GZ, and stating he only cares about TM and not GZ, the judge declared that the prosection has a strong case.

All that is left then for trial is for GZ to 1.) abandon his option of a trial before the judge who has already made his decision on the case prior to trial and 2.) Try to convince a jury that the judge and the prosecutor can not prove their case against GZ beyond a reasonable doubt.

O'Mara has made it clear he will only go so far in effort towards this case because he has not asked for a change of venue -which in a massively publicized case locally like this and where the outcome can seriously affect the whole community, that is virtually an automatically made and granted motion.

Your inability to understand what the judge is required to do by law does not translate to the judge acting inappropriately.

 

[joko104]

George,

All of your statements are based off pure conjecture. Lester has not ruled on anything. If you would have been truthful with the court, he would not have made those true and accurate statements about you. Did you talk to O'Mara about his lack of effort? Maybe you should request another lawyer to represent you.

Wasn't particularly humorous the first time you did this.

It also is really stupid. GZ would not be making such statements on "conjecture" as his would be "direct knowledge."

 

[joko104]

Your inability to understand what the judge is required to do by law does not translate to the judge acting inappropriately.

The judge was not required by law to makes gratuitous, disparaging remarks about Zimmerman's character.

 

[JackFrost]

The judge was not required by law to makes gratuitous, disparaging remarks about Zimmerman's character.

If your definition of Gratuitous is true, and disparaging is accurate, then yes he is.

 

[Furiounova]

The judge was not required by law to makes gratuitous, disparaging remarks about Zimmerman's character.

Didn't say he was. You seem to have trouble responding to the posts you quote.

Maybe this will help.

GZ is awesome! He is such a victim of Obama and the far left it is unbelievable it has gotten this far! I hope they make GZ Day a national holiday!!!

 

[JackFrost]

"The facts don't seem to support a `stand your ground' defense," O'Mara said.


So you think he will use a SYG defense after he explicitly said the facts do not support a SYG defense.


Ooohhhkkkkkayyyyyyyy!!!

But...but...but...:lamo

 

[sharon]

But...but...but...:lamo

You all should watch this. .

 

[joko104]

You all should watch this. .

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