You're wrong...happy now?Witnesses never bring up about CHRIST emptying HIMSELF. I've never heard that come from the mouth of any Witness. They always promote that JESUS called the FATHER GOD, but not why that could be the case.
Witnesses never bring up about how the angels worshiped CHRIST at HIS incarnation. They constantly say only JEHOVAH is to be worshiped and that no one should worship JESUS (just politely bow).
The Witnesses distort the fact that the magi brought gifts to celebrate the birth of JESUS. They constantly say celebrations of any sort are evil and that birthdays are wrong. And they disregard the magi as purely pagan.
Tell me that I'm wrong. The Witnesses promote select verses and provide no honest appraisal of contrary verses. However, Christians understand that JESUS was acting as a human and behaved as a perfect human should ---- yet HE also did what only GOD can do.
I'm always joyous, but answer me thisYou're wrong...happy now?
Answer me this...do you pray for God's holy spirit for guidance? I dare say, any good Christian does, including JW's...that is the difference...I'm always joyous, but answer me this
- If the Watchtower organization rejects others calling them "inspired" yet the Watchtower organization does call themselves "God's Spirit-directed Prophet" what is the difference? Is there such a thing as an "uninspired prophet"? See Organization claims inspiration
You didn't answer the question I asked first. However, I certainly do not ignore the existence of HIM --- meaning the HOLY SPIRIT. I have NO problem with the use of the word inspired.Answer me this...do you pray for God's holy spirit for guidance? I dare say, any good Christian does, including JW's...that is the difference...
Tell me that I'm wrong. The Witnesses promote select verses and provide no honest appraisal of contrary verses. However, Christians understand that JESUS was acting as a human and behaved as a perfect human should ---- yet HE also did what only GOD can do.
Only GOD can forgive sin."Acting as a human and behaved as a perfect human should".......well, duh, he was a human being.
"Yet He also did what only God can do".......foolishness, for God was with and in Christ performing mighty miracles through His Son.
I know this isn't true. I forgive sin all the time.Only GOD can forgive sin.
The idea of God in the sky comes from Christianity or is part of Christianity. It seems to be something in pop culture.Thanks! Fun stuff. Here's a list of early coins bearing the actual images of gods hundreds of years before then.
- Zeus- from a stater of the Arkadian League, minted in Megalopolis from the summer of 363 BC to the spring of 362 BC.
- Poseidon- this depiction is from a tetradrachm of Antigonus Doson, King of Macedon, from 229-221 BC.
- Hera- from a stater minted at the Cretan city of Knossos, from 300-270 BC.
- Aphrodite- from a tetradrachm of the city Knidos in Caria, minted from 375-340 BC.
- Apollo- this depiction comes from a tetradrachm minted by the Kingdom of Macedonia, at the city of Amphipolis from 357-356 BC.
- Ares- from a bronze hexas minted by the Mamertinoi mercenaries at the Syracusan city of Messana from 264-241 BC.
- Artemis- the goddess is shown with a quiver on this gold stater minted by the Kingdom of Epirus, under the king Pyrrhus from 297-272 BC.
- Athena- this masterful portrait was made by the artist Eukleidas at the city of Syracuse from 413-399 BC.
- Demeter- this coin was minted by the city of Pheneos from 360-350 BC.
- Hermes- from a tetradrachm minted at the Thracian city if Ainos in the 360's BC.
You know what they say. One bas relief image is worth a thousand words.
Good looking fellow, dontcha think? No doubt where christians got their image of their god in the sky.
So, you doubt God's Word...got it...Only GOD can forgive sin.
Many ancient mythologies feature sky deities. For example, the Greek god Uranus personified the sky, and in Roman mythology, Jupiter (from Dyeus), was a sky god. In Hinduism, Dyaus Pita was the sky father. Sky gods predate christianity by millennia.The idea of God in the sky comes from Christianity or is part of Christianity. It seems to be something in pop culture.
Right Christianity doesn't though. The idea of sky deities related to Christianity comes from pop culture it doesn't come from Christianity.Many ancient mythologies feature sky deities. For example, the Greek god Uranus personified the sky, and in Roman mythology, Jupiter (from Dyeus), was a sky god. In Hinduism, Dyaus Pita was the sky father. Sky gods predate christianity by millennia.
Unless one imagines "heaven" to be at or below ground level. "The Heavens" is synonymous with the sky, and christianity is overflowing with the heavens.Right Christianity doesn't though. The idea of sky deities related to Christianity comes from pop culture it doesn't come from Christianity.
The heavens is what we call the sky because of these ancient religions that put gods in the sky.Unless one imagines "heaven" to be at or below ground level. "The Heavens" is synonymous with the sky, and christianity is overflowing with the heavens.
Agreed. I think that was my point. Ancient religions had sky gods, and christianity adopted them the same way it adopted countless other beliefs. From virgin births to dying and resurrection, from baptism to the seven day week, from making holidays of the solstices and equinoxes to performance of miracles, the bulk of the christian rituals and beliefs predate Jesus by centuries. Christianity is nothing more than a patchwork quilt of earlier religions and deities.The heavens is what we call the sky because of these ancient religions that put gods in the sky.
Christianity didn't adopt them. Heaven in the sky with clouds and such was a 19th century development and it was not based on Christianity.Agreed. I think that was my point. Ancient religions had sky gods, and christianity adopted them the same way it adopted countless other beliefs.
Do you know why?From virgin births to dying and resurrection, from baptism to the seven day week, from making holidays of the solstices and equinoxes to performance of miracles, the bulk of the christian rituals and beliefs predate Jesus by centuries. Christianity is nothing more than a patchwork quilt of earlier religions and deities.
The wages of sin is death, but the gift of GOD is eternal life through JESUS CHRIST our LORD. You do not offer eternal life.I know this isn't true. I forgive sin all the time.
People can't offer salvation or absolution but they can forgive.The wages of sin is death, but the gift of GOD is eternal life through JESUS CHRIST our LORD. You do not offer eternal life.
Apparently it did.Christianity didn't adopt them.
Heaven in the sky wasn't developed in the 19th century. The Heavens comes right out of the bible. Do you think when the heavens was referenced in the bible, they were talking about across the street? Or in a cave?? Or under the Red Sea??? No. It was a reference to the sky.Heaven in the sky with clouds and such was a 19th century development and it was not based on Christianity.
Do I know why what?Do you know why?
False if you look through the Bible it doesn't give you a description of heavenApparently it did.
Connection to Christianity was.Heaven in the sky wasn't developed in the 19th century.
Find the description of it.The Heavens comes right out of the bible.
No, it was talking about a spiritual state of everlasting communion with God.Do you think when the heavens was referenced in the bible, they were talking about across the street? Or in a cave?? Or under the Red Sea???
But why?No. It was a reference to the sky.
thisDo I know why what?
From virgin births to dying and resurrection, from baptism to the seven day week, from making holidays of the solstices and equinoxes to performance of miracles, the bulk of the christian rituals and beliefs predate Jesus by centuries. Christianity is nothing more than a patchwork quilt of earlier religions and deities.
There's no evidence of any of this. None whatsoever. Feel free to hang your hat on it if you like, but spare us the sales pitch. Some of us prefer our beliefs to be based on observable reality, and the bible is anything but.The wages of sin is death, but the gift of GOD is eternal life through JESUS CHRIST our LORD.
Correct. I would never claim to. But I forgive your sins nevertheless.You do not offer eternal life.
The pagan were and are controlled and manipulated by Satan. Satan (the original liar) copies and establishes forgeries that mimic the original that GOD established. Satan even has his very own Satanic trinity. That fact should be enough to conclude that he is striving to mimic a reality of GOD. The Satanic trinity consists of the DRAGON/SERPENT (Satan Himself), the BEAST (AntiChrist), and the False Prophet.Agreed. I think that was my point. Ancient religions had sky gods, and christianity adopted them the same way it adopted countless other beliefs. From virgin births to dying and resurrection, from baptism to the seven day week, from making holidays of the solstices and equinoxes to performance of miracles, the bulk of the christian rituals and beliefs predate Jesus by centuries. Christianity is nothing more than a patchwork quilt of earlier religions and deities.
It doesn't have to describe it explicitly. One more time. When the bible references heaven, where do you picture it? Down in the ally? Just outside of town? Under the cistern? Are you sure you want to have this argument? Here. Let me hold your hand on this one.False if you look through the Bible it doesn't give you a description of heaven
See above. Or don't bother.Connection to Christianity was.
Find the description of it.
Why were all of those elements associated with christianity taken from religions that predate it? Is that what you're asking?No, it was talking about a spiritual state of everlasting communion with God.
But why?
this
There's no evidence of any of this. None whatsoever. Feel free to hang your hat on it if you like, but spare us the sales pitch. Some of us prefer our beliefs to be based on observable reality, and the bible is anything but.
Correct. I would never claim to. But I forgive your sins nevertheless.
You're welcome.
Nothing can be metaphorical?It doesn't have to describe it explicitly. One more time. When the bible references heaven, where do you picture it? Down in the ally? Just outside of town? Under the cistern? Are you sure you want to have this argument? Here. Let me hold your hand on this one.
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth,"
What distinguishes the heavens from the earth? Please tell me, oh learned biblical scholar. I'll go out on a limb here and say it refers to THE SKY!
See above. Or don't bother.
Yes do you know why?Why were all of those elements associated with christianity taken from religions that predate it?
Should be obvious when I asked do you know why.Is that what you're asking?
When Christianity expanded into Europe Europeans were practicing paganism. It was a way to bring pagans into the religion without them having to give up important rituals.Since you seem to be the authority on christianity, how about you tell me why?
Only GOD can forgive sin.
Matthew 9:1-8
Jesus Forgives Sins
1 Jesus got into a boat, crossed the sea, and came to his own city. 2 Some people brought him a paralyzed man on a stretcher.
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Cheer up, friend! Your sins are forgiven.”
3 then some of the experts in Moses’ Teachings thought, “He’s dishonoring God.”
4 Jesus knew what they were thinking. He asked them, “Why are you thinking evil things? 5 Is it easier to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? 6 I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” Then he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, pick up your stret cher, and go home.”
7 So the man got up and went home. 8 When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe and praised God for giving such authority to humans.
Mark 2:1-12
Jesus Forgives Sins
1 Several days later Jesus came back to Capernaum. The report went out that he was home. 2 Many people had gathered. There was no room left, even in front of the door. Jesus was speaking ⌞God’s⌟ word to them.
3 Four men came to him carrying a paralyzed man. 4 Since they could not bring him to Jesus because of the crowd, they made an opening in the roof over the place where Jesus was. Then they lowered the cot on which the paralyzed man was lying.
5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.”
6 Some experts in Moses’ Teachings were sitting there. They thought, 7 “Why does he talk this way? He’s dishonoring God. Who besides God can forgive sins?”
8 At once, Jesus knew inwardly what they were thinking. He asked them, “Why do you have these thoughts? 9 Is it easier to say to this paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, pick up your cot, and walk’? 10 ;I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” Then he said to the paralyzed man, 11 “I’m telling you to get up, pick up your cot, and go home!”
12 The man got up, immediately picked up his cot, and walked away while everyone watched. Everyone was amazed and praised God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this.”
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