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Thanks! Fun stuff. Here's a list of early coins bearing the actual images of gods hundreds of years before then.This inscription which names JESUS as GOD on a Roman mosaic tile floor in a pray hall/chapel goes back nearly 130 years years before before the Nicene Creed. The implication is that the early Church already held the view that JESUS CHRIST is GOD. This was discovered a while ago in 2005, but often things archaeological analysis takes time. Here is a research article.Here is another:
The early church had all sorts of wildly disparate beliefs, including this one. That's why the emperor Constantine, in wanting to exploit this new religion politically to try to unify his empire, really wanted them to sit down and come up with some sort of coherent, unified belief system in Nicaea. It just so happened that this particular version of the story won out.This inscription which names JESUS as GOD on a Roman mosaic tile floor in a pray hall/chapel goes back nearly 130 years years before before the Nicene Creed. The implication is that the early Church already held the view that JESUS CHRIST is GOD. This was discovered a while ago in 2005, but often things archaeological analysis takes time. Here is a research article.Here is another:
Jesus never said he was God...They believed he was God because he said he was. In part the reason the Pharisees and scribes wanted to kill him on multiple occasions.
It is highly unlikely that Romans would place their lives on the line in the display of CHRISTIANITY, let alone what some might try to call "heresy".The early church had all sorts of wildly disparate beliefs, including this one. That's why the emperor Constantine, in wanting to exploit this new religion politically to try to unify his empire, really wanted them to sit down and come up with some sort of coherent, unified belief system in Nicaea. It just so happened that this particular version of the story won out.
But that was just a contingent outcome- not necessarily that these older generations had stumbled on any "real truth". These various narratives are all just made up mythologies. It's like trying to argue about which version of the myth of Ra was the real one.
John revealed that the WORD is in fact GOD. The risen CHRIST was called GOD by the Apostle Thomas, and CHRIST never denied it.Jesus never said he was God...
Of course not. The Councils didn’t produce new theological material. The purpose of the Councils was to debate and settle existing theological differences between the various churches founded by different disciples/apostles.This inscription which names JESUS as GOD on a Roman mosaic tile floor in a pray hall/chapel goes back nearly 130 years years before before the Nicene Creed. The implication is that the early Church already held the view that JESUS CHRIST is GOD. This was discovered a while ago in 2005, but often things archaeological analysis takes time. Here is a research article.Here is another:
Nope, they wished to eliminate Gnostic teachings that had nothing to do with the disciple/apostles of CHRIST.Of course not. The Councils didn’t produce new theological material. The purpose of the Councils was to debate and settle existing theological differences between the various churches founded by different disciples/apostles.
Gnosticism is rooted in the Church founded by the apostle John and the teachings of Paul. And to this day there is a schism between the Church founded by Peter and the Church founded by James.Nope, they wished to eliminate Gnostic teachings that had nothing to do with the disciple/apostles of CHRIST.
False! Gnosticism emerged in the late first or early second century, potentially drawing from both Jewish and Greco-Roman philosophical tradition while accepting some Christian influences.Gnosticism is rooted in the Church founded by the apostle John and the teachings of Paul. And to this day there is a schism between the Church founded by Peter and the Church founded by James.
You will have no other god's before me. So unless CHRIST is GOD, Thomas would be committing blasphemy against the most high GOD, and CHRIST would be practicing impropriety against the FATHER for not criticizing Thomas. But frankly it would seem that by not regarding the TRINITY, you have to make a whole lot of excuses. And as a TRINITY---JESUS the CHRIST would be laboring as the GOD representative of the other two persons.What did Thomas mean when he said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God”?
On the occasion of Jesus’ appearance to Thomas and the other apostles, which had removed Thomas’ doubts of Jesus’ resurrection, the now-convinced Thomas exclaimed to Jesus: “My Lord and my God! [literally, “The Lord of me and the God (ho The·osʹ) of me!”].” (Joh 20:24-29) Some scholars have viewed this expression as an exclamation of astonishment spoken to Jesus but actually directed to God, his Father. However, others claim the original Greek requires that the words be viewed as being directed to Jesus.
Even if this is so, the expression “My Lord and my God” would still have to harmonize with the rest of the inspired Scriptures. Since the record shows that Jesus had previously sent his disciples the message, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God,” there is no reason for believing that Thomas thought Jesus was the Almighty God. (Joh 20:17) John himself, after recounting Thomas’ encounter with the resurrected Jesus, says of this and similar accounts: “But these have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.”—Joh 20:30, 31.
So, Thomas may have addressed Jesus as “my God” in the sense of Jesus’ being “a god” though not the Almighty God, not “the only true God,” to whom Thomas had often heard Jesus pray. (Joh 17:1-3) Or he may have addressed Jesus as “my God” in a way similar to expressions made by his forefathers, recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures, with which Thomas was familiar. On various occasions when individuals were visited or addressed by an angelic messenger of Jehovah, the individuals, or at times the Bible writer setting out the account, responded to or spoke of that angelic messenger as though he were Jehovah God. (Compare Ge 16:7-11, 13; 18:1-5, 22-33; 32:24-30; Jg 6:11-15; 13:20-22.)
This was because the angelic messenger was acting for Jehovah as his representative, speaking in his name, perhaps using the first person singular pronoun, and even saying, “I am the true God.” (Ge 31:11-13; Jg 2:1-5) Thomas may therefore have spoken to Jesus as “my God” in this sense, acknowledging or confessing Jesus as the representative and spokesman of the true God. Whatever the case, it is certain that Thomas’ words do not contradict the clear statement he himself had heard Jesus make, namely, “The Father is greater than I am.”—Joh 14:28
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002451
Yet here below you clearly declared/posted that Jesus is referred to as a Mighty "God".Jesus never said he was God...
Yea, they all dreamed he said he was.Jesus never said he was God...
You will have no other god's before me. So unless CHRIST is GOD, Thomas would be committing blasphemy against the most high GOD, and CHRIST would be practicing impropriety against the FATHER for not criticizing Thomas. But frankly it would seem that by not regarding the TRINITY, you have to make a whole lot of excuses. And as a TRINITY---JESUS the CHRIST would be laboring as the GOD representative of the other two persons.
O(k, give me the scripture where he says he is God...Yea, they all dreamed he said he was.
What a coincidence.
O(k, give me the scripture where he says he is God...
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, --->Mighty God,<---
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
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Daisy said:
Jesus is referred to as a --->Mighty God..<---
Regarding the above bolded, Rev.amen Logic. let's be patient with Daisy, i don't think she can scramble that verse?
Daisy, you got it right the first time.....
goooood one Logic
you say something about yur atheism, but that seems to be waning the more Bible you recite.
me thinks you are in the closet right now concerning yur christian faith. it's ok to come out and enjoy New Eternal Life.
oh yeah, did i mention that mansion over the hilltop?
blessings bro, till the end.
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Regarding the above bolded, Rev.
A biblical scripture was requested.
I presented a biblical scripture.
That doesn't make me any less an atheist today than the day I presented the scripture. If I ever do decide to become a believer, I'll make certain you are informed the conversion. Sound fair?
Have a nice night and an enjoyable weekend - "bro" -
And Jehovah is Almighty God...see the difference?Daisy, you got it right the first time.....
And Jehovah is Almighty God...see the difference?
ALMIGHTY
The word “Almighty” is translated from the Hebrew word Shad·daiʹ and the Greek word Pan·to·kraʹtor. Both words evidently convey the idea of strength or power.
The Hebrew Term. In the Hebrew text Shad·daiʹ is used seven times along with ʼEl (God), forming the title “God Almighty.” (Ge 17:1; 28:3; 35:11; 43:14; 48:3; Ex 6:3; Eze 10:5) In the other 41 occurrences it stands alone and is translated “the Almighty” or “the Almighty One.” Similar to ʼAdho·naiʹ (Sovereign Lord) and ʼElo·himʹ (God), Shad·daiʹ is in the plural to denote excellence.—Ge 49:25; Nu 24:4; Ps 68:14.
The Greek Term. In the Christian Greek Scriptures the word Pan·to·kraʹtor occurs ten times, nine of them in the book of Revelation. The word basically means “Almighty,” or “All Powerful.” Its use in the Christian Greek Scriptures lends weight to the understanding of the Hebrew term Shad·daiʹ as meaning “Almighty One,” since otherwise there would be no corresponding term for Pan·to·kraʹtor in the Hebrew Scriptures.
In the prophecy at Isaiah 9:6 concerning the Messiah, the title “Mighty God” is applied to the promised Prince of Peace. This expression, however, translates the Hebrew ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ, not ʼEl Shad·daiʹ, as in the above scriptures.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000201
Who?do you notice a Mellowing from our friend @Logician Man ?
John 1:1Ok, give me the scripture where he says he is God...
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