I think that's a bad idea and, apparently, so does the State even with our very loose gun laws. A lot of decisions we like to keep local. That doesn't mean if you have a CCW and visit a given school a lot that you couldn't apply to the district to let you carry. It just means it's not automatic.Not bad then. I'm not against training to have the extra duty but I would personally prefer extending CCW rights to the school, that's a personal opinion though.
You apparently have never been in a large city high school, at least not recently. There are reasons for limiting guns in some schools. But, keep in mind, it's always up to the school board whether they allow some people to carry guns or not and it's been that way for years.What is it about a school which alarms you? People are already carrying guns around your children everywhere else...the store, the park....what makes a school holy ground?
IMO if you can legally carry a gun at all then you should be able to carry it everywhere you can legally be. That one of those locations is a school makes no difference at all; you should not be subject to additional regulation to enter a school armed.
Not wanting guns in your school is exactly like not wanting blacks in your school. It's about time people grow up a bit and move past that phobia.
You apparently have never been in a large city high school, at least not recently. There are reasons for limiting guns in some schools. But, keep in mind, it's always up to the school board whether they allow some people to carry guns or not and it's been that way for years.
I only mean CCW employees, I don't personally think it's a bad idea but then again it's your location so the consequences aren't mine to bear so my opinion should only be considered as an academic exercise.I think that's a bad idea and, apparently, so does the State even with our very loose gun laws. A lot of decisions we like to keep local. That doesn't mean if you have a CCW and visit a given school a lot that you couldn't apply to the district to let you carry. It just means it's not automatic.
If they took the school safety program they could probably carry at will if they applied to have that exception, while still not volunteering for the safety officer program. It all depends on the school district but I'd bet some of the rural ones would let their teachers do it with the right training.I only mean CCW employees, I don't personally think it's a bad idea but then again it's your location so the consequences aren't mine to bear so my opinion should only be considered as an academic exercise.eace
I'm fine with additional carry testing for schools, the only issue I would have with a safety officer program would be something mandatory as part of duty, other than that no issues.If they took the school safety program they could probably carry at will if they applied to have that exception, while still not volunteering for the safety officer program. It all depends on the school district but I'd bet some of the rural ones would let their teachers do it with the right training.
Yeah, you have to volunteer for the safety officer program and, if accepted, it is a duty. Otherwise, it wouldn't be. My guess is many school districts will take the CCW route - but they've always been able to do that. The law against guns on campus has never been a strict State no-gun zone law. Like I've said before, we're pretty lax about guns here.I'm fine with additional carry testing for schools, the only issue I would have with a safety officer program would be something mandatory as part of duty, other than that no issues.
If you have point, l free to articulate it. Hinting at inner-city schools does nothing for your argument. You need some facts.You apparently have never been in a large city high school, at least not recently. There are reasons for limiting guns in some schools. But, keep in mind, it's always up to the school board whether they allow some people to carry guns or not and it's been that way for years.
What training would be unique to schools as opposed to gun ownership in general?If they took the school safety program they could probably carry at will if they applied to have that exception, while still not volunteering for the safety officer program. It all depends on the school district but I'd bet some of the rural ones would let their teachers do it with the right training.
If you've never been in one it's useless to explain and if you have been in one I don't need to explain.If you have point, l free to articulate it. Hinting at inner-city schools does nothing for your argument. You need some facts.
So you have no argument.If you've never been in one it's useless to explain and if you have been in one I don't need to explain.
Having never been a security officer or police officer I don't know any details but they would probably be different from district to district. Large cities would probably have information about gangs and drugs. Rural schools may have nothing special at all or just reminders about leaving your gun laying around. Teachers tend to get comfortable in their classroom. I've seen more than one teacher leave their purse or suit jacket in the room when they go to the bathroom or supply room.What training would be unique to schools as opposed to gun ownership in general?
All valid concerns, but what is unique to schools? You don't ever want to leave your gun laying around, ever. Gangs and criminals exist everywhere, not only in schools. People get comfortable at their jobs be they a teacher or contractor.Having never been a security officer or police officer I don't know any details but they would probably be different from district to district. Large cities would probably have information about gangs and drugs. Rural schools may have nothing special at all or just reminders about leaving your gun laying around. Teachers tend to get comfortable in their classroom. I've seen more than one teacher leave their purse or suit jacket in the room when they go to the bathroom or supply room.
The best argument I have is that Missouri has outlawed guns on school property without the school board's permission. Given the subject of this thread, that's good enough for me. How does SD fair on gun laws? As loose as ours?So you have no argument.
A large number of children with very few adults. You don't know this?All valid concerns, but what is unique to schools? You don't ever want to leave your gun laying around, ever. Gangs and criminals exist everywhere, not only in schools. People get comfortable at their jobs be they a teacher or contractor.
What is unique to schools?
See for yourself: Handgunlaw.us We're arming all school employees, not just teachers.The best argument I have is that Missouri has outlawed guns on school property without the school board's permission. Given the subject of this thread, that's good enough for me. How does SD fair on gun laws? As loose as ours?
The same could is true for my local mall. Why is that any cause for alarm?A large number of children with very few adults. You don't know this?
I think, as our lawmakers do, that it should be left up to the school district. Most school decisions are and always have been.See for yourself: Handgunlaw.us We're arming all school employees, not just teachers.
You really think the local mall has a 25:1 ratio of kids to adults? I doubt that.The same could is true for my local mall. Why is that any cause for alarm?
When it comes to specifically named rights, it should not be left up to the school district. That's like saying racial discrimination should be left up to the district.I think, as our lawmakers do, that it should be left up to the school district. Most school decisions are and always have been.
Fairly lax.But I wasn't asking what you were doing about schools, I was asking about gun laws in general up there.
I don't see how the presence of children should be any concern in any ratio or in any setting.You really think the local mall has a 25:1 ratio of kids to adults? I doubt that.
I have 2.Do you have children?
This does make the case for a secondary standard to carry as a teacher. I do not have my CCW yet but when I get caught up it's something on my immediate list, gun ownership does carry moral responsibility which means if you have it in public it should be secured, whether that is on person, in a locked vehicle, etc. it should only be accessible by the owner or someone they trust. Gun safety requires vigilence and it is a responsibility.Having never been a security officer or police officer I don't know any details but they would probably be different from district to district. Large cities would probably have information about gangs and drugs. Rural schools may have nothing special at all or just reminders about leaving your gun laying around. Teachers tend to get comfortable in their classroom. I've seen more than one teacher leave their purse or suit jacket in the room when they go to the bathroom or supply room.
I do see a valid difference. A contractor leaving a gun around adults is not as problematic as urban youth who are troubled and a bit stupid, all it would take is one of those troubled morons to grab the teachers gun to have a potential victim in the future. In that scenario I don't have a problem with an increased standard for that teacher to carry, prove to us they aren't lax in their safety practices if you will.All valid concerns, but what is unique to schools? You don't ever want to leave your gun laying around, ever. Gangs and criminals exist everywhere, not only in schools. People get comfortable at their jobs be they a teacher or contractor.
What is unique to schools?
If a teacher is lax in responsibility, then why should leave our children with them in the first place? I mean, forget about guns, if the teacher is irresponsible then we shouldn't even trust them with a field-trip to the zoo.I do see a valid difference. A contractor leaving a gun around adults is not as problematic as urban youth who are troubled and a bit stupid, all it would take is one of those troubled morons to grab the teachers gun to have a potential victim in the future. In that scenario I don't have a problem with an increased standard for that teacher to carry, prove to us they aren't lax in their safety practices if you will.
Some people don't want their children around any kind of violence, which to them includes guns. You have the same restriction in churches and government buildings in this state, although I don't believe there are any exceptions for those two like there is for schools.When it comes to specifically named rights, it should not be left up to the school district. That's like saying racial discrimination should be left up to the district.
Because not all kids get gun education nor do all parents want their kids around guns. I can understand and respect their beliefs even if I don't agree with them. My mother was that way.I don't see how the presence of children should be any concern in any ratio or in any setting.
That is definitely true, in fact if they are that lax they should have their CCW revoked. It is a valid concern though.If a teacher is lax in responsibility, then why should leave our children with them in the first place? I mean, forget about gun, if the teacher is irresponsible then we shouldn't even trust them with a field-trip to the zoo.
And that's even more pronounced in a school where inquiring minds want to know.This does make the case for a secondary standard to carry as a teacher. I do not have my CCW yet but when I get caught up it's something on my immediate list, gun ownership does carry moral responsibility which means if you have it in public it should be secured, whether that is on person, in a locked vehicle, etc. it should only be accessible by the owner or someone they trust. Gun safety requires vigilence and it is a responsibility.
I'm not connecting with your point. You mean curious kids that might get the gun, or adults that want to vet the teacher who is to carry?And that's even more pronounced in a school where inquiring minds want to know.
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