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Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome


Abortions after 21 weeks are very rare and legal abortions after viability only happen in extreme cases when the woman's life is risk or if irrepable damage to a major bodiliy function ( such as stroke,heart attack, paralysis from the neck down, kidney damage, etc. ) would occur if the pregnancy continued.

There are only 4 doctors and 3clinics that perform legal abortions for the extreme cases. One of those clinics is in Arizonia. OB/GYNs from all over the US send their patients with these extreme conditions to one of the 3 clinics.

This Arizonia Health Dept. link of abotion stats I found is from 2013

There were 137 abortions over 21 weeks gestation.
The age was unknown in 25 of the abortions.

Page 26 of link.

http://www.azdhs.gov/diro/reports/pdf/2013-arizona-abortion-report.pdf
 
This law is ludicrous and appalling.
 
If anyone believes that people with learning difficulties cannot lead a full, productive and active life they should watch this TV movie. It's won a crop of awards and is a bio-pic of a very special person, who appears in it on several occasions, and makes the eugenics/euthinasia supporters look what they are.

 
Mason66 said:
Why would anybody be against aborting a baby with a life altering condition which would guarantee that person would never be a productive member of society?
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Be that as it may, I'm still against aborting Democrats.
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't consider a lump of cells to be a "fellow human being".
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What you consider and what is reality don't align very well.

You are a "lump of cells."

Don't put on airs just because you're a bigger lump. You're an organism of the species Homo sapiens, same as any unborn kid, Trisomy 21 or not.
 
Mason66 said:
Do you not understand the difference between aborting a baby with a birth defect and killing people that exist in the world?
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One is killing a human being needlessly and aggressively.

The other is killing a human being needlessly and aggressively.

There is no difference aside from the fact that people like you hate one of them based upon arbitrary characteristics and want them to die.
 

A 22 week fetus is RARELY viable. Most of the time they die.


Premature Babies May Survive at 22 Weeks if Treated, Study Finds

Out of treated cases...78...18 of them surviving is NOT good odds.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Don't see how its enforceable. Roe v Wade is precedent for it being a violation of privacy. It should be shot down by the courts....if they're actually doing their job correctly.
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If they were doing their job correctly, the states could pass whatever abortion restrictions they want, or none at all, since abortion is not mentioned in any way, shape, form, or fashion by the Constitution.

You don't want the courts to do their job correctly. You want them to be political hacks pushing your radical agenda.
 
From emedicine health


Chances of survival
Weeks of pregnancy

23 weeks
Nearly 2 to 3 out of 10 survived (about 7 to 8 out of 10 died)

24 weeks
5 out of 10 survived (5 out of 10 died)

25 weeks
Nearly 8 out of 10 survived (about 2 out of 10 died)
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http://www.emedicinehealth.com/what...remely_premature_infant-health/article_em.htm


Most medical expects agree that it is highly unlikely a fetus younger than 21 weeks +some days gestation will ever survive.

The outlook for any preemie under 23 weeks gestation is so grim that most US hospitals only offer comfort care for a preemie younger than 23 gestation.
They keep the preemie warm and comfortable until it expires on its own.


From a November 2013 article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...35e_story.html
 
JayDubya said:
What you consider and what is reality don't align very well.

You are a "lump of cells."

Don't put on airs just because you're a bigger lump. You're an organism of the species Homo sapiens, same as any unborn kid, Trisomy 21 or not.
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wrong, I can reason, I have legal rights, and I have the means to enforce those rights

but for your belief in a deity, you cannot say an unborn fetus has any of those characteristics
 

let me explain some legal philosophy to you

do you know why murder is illegal beyond it being malum per se?

because if SOCIETY does not punish murder, anarchy will result. If someone were to kill my son or wife or brother and society does NOTHING to punish the murderer, I am going to spent the rest of my days on earth doing every thing possible to kill everyone who was responsible for said killing. and I suspect that the survivors of my wrath would probably try to do the same to me and so on and so on

so by having recourse to the criminal justice system, the desire for personal vengeance is mostly alleviated as people who have seen loved ones murdered defer to the state to punish the bastards who killed a family member or close friend

no such impetus exists for an abortion.
 
This reminds me of a woman who got up and left the hospital when she found out her newborn potentially had downs. Happened at a hospital here in northern Ohio in February. She immediately asked for discharge against medical advice papers and left. The hospital kept the baby until it was moved into foster care, but they received hundreds of calls from families looking to adopt.

The kicker to the story was he didn't have downs.
 
Dittohead not! said:
How are they going to prove that a given abortion was performed because the fetus had downs?
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The last I read, abortion was legal in America. The hypocrisy is that conservatives say they are against intrusive government. Now, this Ohio law would make a pregnant woman have to convince the government that her reason for the abortion was legitimate.
 

Then you would be incorrect. Not all abortions are legal.
 
That may be true but the answer is far more fundamental. A fetus doesn't meet the 14th Amendment definition of a citizen nor a person.
 
MTAtech said:
That may be true but the answer is far more fundamental. A fetus doesn't meet the 14th Amendment definition of a citizen nor a person.
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not to quibble but I believe my answer is the fundamental one since it deals with basic human nature that has existed long before anyone heard of a 14th amendment. but you are legally correct though: a fetus does not meet that standard
 
jmotivator said:
23% survival rate seems a lot better than zero.
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Actually according to this article only 10 percent live long enough to be discharged from the neo natal intensive care unit of the hospital.

From a November 2014 article:


http://preemies.about.com/od/preemiehealthproblems/a/Premature-Baby-Survival.htm
 

10% is also better than zero.

If there was a drug that cured 10% of AIDS patients would you reject it because 90% died anyway?
 
Samhain said:
Then you would be incorrect. Not all abortions are legal.
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I didn't want to have to provide a dissertation in the post. Yes, you are right. I was referring to the concept of abortion.
 
jmotivator said:
10% is also better than zero.

If there was a drug that cured 10% of AIDS patients would you reject it because 90% died anyway?
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If the parent(s) want to try to intervene and the hospital is equipped to try to intervene that is up to the parent(s) and staff to try to intervene than that should be their choice. If the parents which to give comfort care than at that early stage with such low odds of survival they should be able to make that choice.

Something else to consider is the fact that neo natal units and staff are limited.

Using the equipment and staff to try to save a 22 week gestation preemie may mean there is no neo natal available for 25 week gestational preemie born that would have an 85 percent chance to live if a unit were available.

So the staff should just say " sorry we can't intervene and try to save 25 week gestational preemie because a 22 week gestational preemie is using it and just might have 10 percent chance of living long enough to make it out of the neo natal intensive care unit."

Hard choices.
I am glad I am not faced with a choice like that.
 

That isn't how hospitals staff demand. Not in the US, anyway. Socialized medicine might do it that way...
 
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